How To SHALLOW The Club And TURN Without Spinning Over The Top

Have you been told that in order to shallow the club in the golf swing you must lower your arms before you can turn? Have you been told that early rotation will only make you steep? There are undoubtedly numerous ways and methods on how to shallow the club in transition, but I've lately seen many fellow coaches say that rotation is strictly producing a steep golf swing and causing golfers to spin over the top. They say the answer is to keep your back turned to the target and lower the arms to start the downswing. While I agree a certain type of rotation can create havoc and act as a swing steepener, this is not how I turn! And my preferences on shallowing the golf club in fact include rotation. I'll break down these different opinions and matchups, then with the help of Gears Sports 3D data, offer video breakdown of the transition movements captured from the swings of Rory McIlroy, Dustin Johnson, Sergio Garcia, and myself. And wouldn't you guess, we all do a same key move in transition that allows us to turn and unwind freely in our downswings, uninhibited, and with no over the top pattern. I hope you enjoy this video on creating a shallow golf swing with turn, and please let me know your thoughts below. Your feedback is appreciated!

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[richiew]

This video has been one of the most useful videos I have watched. Its made a huge improvement to my swing. Thanks

[tinytoons]

Master level Golf Instructor, every time I try to find a flaw in your teachings I fall flat on my face only because I am trying to use the method that you teach and the bloody thing works exactly to a tee, no pun intended.

[RomanEmpire]

One of the best coaches on the planet right here 👌 👏 this video solidifies how good of an instructor this man is so many videos showing incorrect ways of shallowing the club

[edbleackley]

I was watching the Farmers Insurance Open at Torrey Pines yesterday, first round, and they had a great slow motion shot of Jon Rahm's swing. I watched it over and over and what you describe is exactly what he is doing, thank you for the validation.

[ReSourceEnergetics]

Hi Milo,

It also seems like it is a product of the turn laying the club off because of gravity and the force of the turn. I think that this doesn’t happen sometimes because of improper tension which doesn’t allow the forces to work properly.

Alan

[badkermit]

Thank you Milo I can finally hit a golf ball well. It’s a really hard thing to see but I think everyone who is good does this even if they don’t know they’re doing it.

[alecrosekrans]

Thanks for the great video. How can one make sure they are bouncing from side bend to side bend and not just sliding the axis tilt?

[biggregg]

This is good. I personally think that this shallowing of the golf club kick lately for the average golfer is going to mess things up more than help by the way it's taught. It tends to mess me up because I feel there is this weird loopy shit going on. If it's a function of the swing, the way you explain it here, that makes more sense. I've been told that I do shallow it anyway by some guys who understand the concept. I think considering the time I can put in golf to practice, the simpler the swing, the better.

[suncoast]

Awesome instruction. I have tried almost every YouTube instruction over the last 10 years, and for the most part they feel good, but when I look at video of my swing it doesn't match up to what the better players are doing. So frustrating! I've taken lessons, bought books on fad theories hoping to discover something that will get me in the correct hitting position at contact ... no success. Listening to coaches talk about "gears" & what the "pros" are doing in a 2 second swing is mind boggling. I almost reached a point of accepting my swing faults and just getting on with playing the game .... my handicap is 12, so it's still fun to play. Then I saw a YouTube video "short" of you explaining shallowing the club. My first thought this can't work since no one I was aware of was teaching this concept. I felt so desperate, I tried what you described and when I looked at the video of my swing, I was stunned! I had shaft lean, no flipping of the club, no early extension, no coming over the top and my hips were opening up prior to impact. At 74 years old I really didn't think this was possible for me. Thank you so much for unraveling the secrets of a good golf swing.

[mtoz]

hi Milo,
Because the right shoulder moving more downward than around at the start of the downswing . and due to the dynamic motion of the arms have to bend more and press to chest more.

[willgo]

well done ... consistent w/ your ongoing message of weight shift, lateral move, and squat - all part of transition.

[jv]

Totally agree that it's a function of right side bend. What are your thoughts on arm lift? Function and cause?

[dannynelson]

This is awesome. I can’t wait to get to the range and try some things. From drilling in my office, is it safe for the right bend to be driven by a sudden bending of the trail knee? This feels better than trying to force bend with the upper body.

[TheMrTJOX]

Great video... but I'm still a little confused. Those videos that suggest dropping your arms at that rotation will cause the arms to find their way to the ball. Your videos does that the squatting and the turn of the chest initiate the arms shallowness... but do you sing the club, or the sequence that you go through cause the swinging action? Thanks!!

[jasonkelley]

It's interesting, because other people like AMG are also using 3d data from gears and saying the opposite. Do you think Sergio is a good example here? My understanding is that he has a uniquely large lag angle and that the way his trail arms bends more at the start of the downswing is also pretty unique. Looking at the Rory example, it's true that he is squeezing the lead arm a bit against his chest, clearly, and the trail arm is bending more at the elbow, but that doesn't mean the arm isn't lowering. I would think you need to look at the angle between the trail upper arm and his chest. That looks to be pretty clearly decreasing. So he is bending the trail arm at the elbow more but he is lowering that arm as a whole. That's what it looks like to me anyway. You know more about this stuff than I do. Look at his hands though. They are clearly moving down and I'm pretty sure they are connected to his arms. =)

If this was happening because of your chest tilting from left to the right, you should be able to show that with a line across your shoulder in gears, right? I'm pretty sure that tilt happens as you rotate, not before. Let's see the numbers!

[dennis]

Thanks for this vid! I have been confused by another 3-letter golf vid and its conclusion that the trail arm has to straighten in the dswing to create shallowing. That analysis is based on Gears data so I automatically give it a lot of cred since it's based on 3-d info. But now I see that your trail-side spiral movement is something that Gears doesn't capture. I can also see how your method, with its lowering in the dswing, gets the club lower automatically. Thanks for clearing that up for me!

[justinoneil]

The problem with most golf instruction is that people are talking past each other looking for the “correct” club positions. Only a few instructors talk about dynamic body movement. Club positions are meaningless without dynamic body movement.

Thank you Milo! Unfortunately, I’m afraid that very few understand what you mean by left bend and right bend.

[jakeallen]

Whenever I've tried adding sideband to my swing it ends up with sight back discomfort and I usually hit it fat.

[kirkchisholm]

This is a really refreshing video. I agree that all this talk about lowering the arms and purposely trying to 'shallow' is screwing with people's minds. It certainly is for me. It makes me focus too much on isolated positions, and I get further away from a fluid, athletic motion. I'd like to see the AMG guys watch and react to this video. I really appreciate how data driven and analytical they are but most of the time I think they are way too lost in the weeds. Everyone is probably correct in their analysis, but it's like the blind men who are all trying to describe the elephant from different perspectives.

The more I learn about the golf swing, the more I keep coming to the conclusion that you can't fix positions in your golf swing by trying to focus on the position itself. The error in position is a symptom or clue about a larger root cause. The trick is to figure out what the fundamental root causes are. For me it seems like it's the takeaway plane, then the big muscles, legs & ground pressure, plus upper body tilt & rotation, those seem to be the things that matter most. Things like swallowing, lag, attack angle, compression, they fix themselves once you get the big body parts sequenced properly. Am I thinking about this correctly?

[GH-jfif]

Not sure what you mean about bouncing from left sidebend to right sideband. Can you explain or have a video that explains? Thanks.