Theism or deism, which does the evidence point to? Watch this!

In his interview with Jacob Varghese from SAFT Apologetics, Frank explains the difference between Deism and Theism and which one the evidence points to.

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[arc]

Kind of strangely worded premise. Deists are theists. You can be a non-Deist theist, but you can't be a non-theist Deist. No Deist would argue that theism is wrong. They would argue that revelation and scripture are unreliable. Despite knowing this, you point to the Bible as evidence against Deism, then go on a rant about atheism and that belief system as if it relates to the main point, which is whether Deism is right or wrong. There's no connection between Deism and atheism. I'm baffled by everything in this video.

[JonathanJilliana]

Jesus has sure come and intervened in my life. He delivered me from over 10 years of depression and addiction that left me hospitalized twice. He lead me to a wife who fears Him and gave us two beautiful girls. Now we are singing a new song to glorify Jesus before we see Him face to face. Jesus revealed a God who enters into our suffering and makes all things new ❤️🙏🏻

[oguun_garvey]

Why can't Deism be that God doesn't bother with us ANYMORE? I lean towards believing that God is like some sort of Master Engineer. And he set time, space and matter in motion that allowed for us to come to past. He worked out some kinks. Made some adjustments, perfections, and added some aesthetics (maybe in the form of miracles) and grabbed some popcorn for the show.. He even could've gotten back up a couple times when he saw an angle or had an idea about making his creation cooler, more, or less volatile. Or whatever He desired to do... Maybe he gets up, and every time a "miracle" happens we're just seeing the result of God's rare interference. God put LIFE into a universe of physics. That's something to LOVE with everything you have, in and of itself. But the notion that He loves all humans, INDIVIDUALLY, as His own children; seems ridiculous. So many of us die and are born every second, He'd be an emotional wreck, constantly. Loving us as a well-oiled marvel of machinery, that He conjured and meticulously placed and graced in the midst of the rest of His creation.... Seems more God-like.

I'm completely aware that trying to bring rationale to supernatural questions and concerns is, itself, irrational.

I just disagree that miracles void Deism. When they very well could be the "scheduled maintenance" God has to, or chooses to do on humanity

[generationxdrummer]

I am a long time deist, and he has several things wrong about deism. First, deists do believe in a "divine architect" (aka God) that designed the universe and set it in motion. But he is wrong that deists believe God just abandoned us and walked away. No, God's creation also contain the natural laws that drive the universe, such as evolution, and thus there's no need for God to actively control every aspect of the universe. Work smarter, not harder! If God gave us free will, then we make our choices and live with the consequences, whether they are good or bad. That's why bad things can happen to good people; they are subject to the outcomes of choice, even if the choice is made by someone else.

Second, every piece of scientific evidence that might point toward a divine architect only supports deism, not any type of theism. Many people will use the Fine-tuned Universe Theory to demonstrate that the universe has precision to it, which deists do believe, but then they magically associate that with theism and a God that is in control of it all. That is done erroneously. There is no connecting bridge to get from an architect as the prime mover to a being that loves you, made laws on how to live, etc.

Third, Jesus is just another story of about a blood sacrifice. Those stories permeated archaic times. Practically every culture on the planet used blood sacrifices at some point in time to appease the god(s). If God were truly omniscient and omnipotent, then It could simply wave a divine hand and remove whatever evil, sickness, etc. might exist in the world. Religions like to use systems of control in order to hold power and influence over people. The inerrant Bible, the last prophet, catechism 100 for the Catholics, the concept of Hell, etc. These are all man made constructs.

If there's any evidence of God, it only points to a deistic version.

[Aclay]

Diesm is by far the more logical conclusion of the 2

[ShawnRitch]

If God is all knowing, seeing and powerful, there would be no reason to intervene after creating our universe because God, being what it is, would have designed all eventualities within it. There wouldn't be free will any other way. As a Scientist / Engineer / Deist, I am comforted by this ideology as it gives me purpose to learn as much as I can of what God has left for us to learn and share those teachings with the coming generations. Furthermore, I find it insulting to God that people feel it necessary to think God would intervene on its own perfection.

[EyeMixMusic]

There's some serious mental gymnastics going on here.

"God is a loving being, he wouldn't just create us then leave us alone!"
"But he would allow billions of people to experience cruel and unnecessary pain and suffering?"
"Well, no, you see, he leaves us alone for that stuff, but he sent Jesus that one time, and that covers all the suffering, so he's still with us, but not. But he still kind of is."

[kbmonday]

That was an extremely poor and unenlightened answer.

[lenamueller]

I believe in God. I believe that one being created the universe. I despise organized religion.

[perseusc]

Wouldn’t a creator let it creation do what it wants

[scotsway]

This is not entirely accurate. While Deists have always rejected the notion of direct Divine intervention by suspending "the Laws of Nature", nonetheless, while *some* modern-day Deists may believe that God does not interact with humanity at all, this is a belief held by very few, if any, of the Classical Deists. Also the distinction between Deism and Theism seems a bit like making a distinction between horses and mammals. I mean horses *Are* mammals but not all mammals are horses.

[enki]

How do you define love? A Deist God(s) could love us very much perhaps they show their love for us by leaving us to our own devices? Maybe it/they want us to figure things out by ourselves instead of being dependent on them. It could be.

[Lee]

How isnt it possible for whatever created the universre to encode morality into it and set the way for human life into motion from the beginning? He's making it out that this creator isn't actually capable of doing certain things. Also if theism is the only reasonable belief and the universe was created specifically for humans, why did he wait nearly 14 billion years to put us in it? Nothing about theism adds up from a reasonable view

[Amelia_Whitevoid]

I never even heard of deism in my life before

[ChrisPyle]

Wouldn’t an all powerful being make everything right in the first place? Would he need us to ask him to intervene?

[KKKaTTT]

You go tell a mother who lost her child to cancer, or a man who lost his legs in a war, or a family that suffered death and loss in a tsunami, or a person begging to take their pancreating cancer away... That there is an intervening God. And yes. Im talking about Christians going through this the boogy man non believers or people of other religions. It happens every day! I want an answer

[macknack]

Words only go so far...
Dreams go all the way (into the Universe)
the lowest common denominator of the human is Food, Shelter, Comfort
the highest common denominator is the Dream World
...sans the physical, the mind accesses perfect time/space ambiance for a nightly trip (catnap fever)
beyond lyrics ...the big bang opens the gates of Pandora's Box (Paradox) ...once you experience a Lucid Dream you will never be the same and you cannot share the knowledge without falling into an academic category (stereotype)

[econd_Son]

This was actually a really good explanation, reinforced my faith thank you.

[meyou]

Jesus said if my testimony is only about me my testimony is not true, John 5:30 I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
31 “If I alone bear witness about myself, my witness is not true. 32 There is another who bears witness about me, and I know that the witness HE bears about ME is true

[picante]

i'm an atheist but what he's saying is very interesting and makes me wanna know the answer but it is (not) sadly impossible