Could CAMBERWELL soon get a NEW railway station?

I'm in Camberwell in south east London looking at whether the area might get a new railway station any time soon?

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[Andrewjg_]

It would be ideal for Camberwell to have a new railway station. Also at Bermondsey in Southeast London there are also plans for a new London Overground station to be built at Surrey Canal Road on the Windrush Line. That would serve Millwall FC The Den stadium.

[ricktownend]

Thanks for this explanation - I get the impression you think they should rebuild Camberwell station, and I agree. I do think the case for it would be improved if there were more Thameslink trains which would call at it. Unfortunately I don't see there being any improvement in the Sutton Loop frequency (4tph) until those trains don't conflict with the Victoria-Medway fast trains at Herne Hill: I did hear of a proposal for a tunnel to keep them separate from the stopping trains via Penge East etc.. However, I see no reason why the Thameslink trains via Denmark Hill and Catford couldn't be quarter-hourly or better, and I'm sure that would generate a lot of extra passengers.

Having said that, there are frequent buses from Camberwell to Denmark Hill, for the 4tph OG to Clapham Jctn or Dalston. And buses are every 6 minutes or so to Loughborough Jctn to get the 4tph E&C/Sutton Loop trains. If only all the trains could be say 8tph or more (like most of the tube lines), I feel sure that would take a lot of cars off the road (maybe even making the Walworth Road experience a little less horrible - and really change the case for a Camberwell station: maybe with that frequency the platforms wouldn't have to be lengthened ...

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[DavidShepheard]

As someone living fairly close to the Sutton Loop, I'm going to call BS on the idea that rebuilding Camberwell Station would degrade journey times for Thameslink Passengers on the loop.

At platforms 5 and 8 of Wimbledon Station there are tons of different trains going to and from Waterloo. When you get that line, your dwell time is super low, and you are on your way. And, if you don't want to go to Earlsfield or Vauxhall the delay from the trains stopping there is fairly insignificant.

Compare that to Thameslink and there are only two trains per hour going via Hadon's Road and two trains per hour going via Morden South. And the primary reason for this throttled back service is that Platform 10 was taken out of operation and given over to Tramlink. Now Platform 9 is bi-directional and can only cope with a measly four trains per hour. And you only have to look around to see all the other services at Wimbledon providing much more frequent services.

If Tramlink was given it's own dedicated terminus at Wimbledon and the train frequency was increased to four Thameslink trains per hour, the increase dwell time caused by waiting at Camberwell Station would be smaller than the benefit created by removing the Wimbledon bottleneck and providing a four trains per hour service in each direction on the Sutton Loop. With the two loops combining that would be a total of eight trains per hour and would constitute a true metro service instead of the shoddy service provided at the moment. And I think that anyone who reguarly freezes their bum off waiting for a Thameslink train to turn up on the Sutton Loop would be more than happy to wait a couple of minutes on a warm train, in return for getting twice as many trains on the loop.

I've hardly used the Sutton Loop and the reason why I've hardly used it is that the service is fairly pathetic at getting me out of Wimbledon quickly enough. Busses have often been more reliable to me. And it should not be that way. The Sutton Loop needs to be rehabilitated. Cut the Sutton Loop off of Thameslink and give it to London Overground. Buy rolling stock with better acceleration and breaking (maybe even regenerative breaking). Invest in the route so that trains don't sit around waiting for other trains to get out of the way. We can have trains to Camberwell with the increased journey time being a trivial thing.

I reject the idea of someone writing a transport report and using using reverse-NIMBY logic to blame me for people living in Camberwell not getting a station. Giving me one-change access to Camberwell would give me a travel option I do not currently have. That is a plus - not a minus. There is no downside to Camberwell Station being rebuilt.

[barrymurphy]

I have lived in Camberwell most of 😅life, I had no idea that there used to be a station here. Thank you. From Barry Murphy

[danglover]

"The Bear" was "The Station (Hotel)" until possibly the late 1990s. I remember there being a section of platform canopy-style woodwork above the windows but I'm unable to find photos from the right era. For a while it was a Jack Beards.

[ialstlc]

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[Camberwell]

If we start knocking up new stations Khan and TfL will have to come up with some more crazy charges to pay for them. I dunno "walking charge" where you have to pay a quid for every mile you walk or something 😐

[keithmeredith]

One possibility would be for the Bakerloo Line to split at Elephant
and Castle in to two branches, one extending to Old Kent Road, the other to Wlaworth and Camberwell New Road.

[kaitlyn__L]

Insert obligatory Camberwell Carrot reference... haha.

I do agree that these kinds of places would benefit from getting better rail connectivity. I like how it's a similar argument as you made recently In Glasgow. The entire UK has had decades of lost infrastructure investment, while populations continue to rise. Places which couldn't generate enough passengers in the 60s, or the 80s, can be viable today.

[davidbosher]

There was an earlier scheme under the 1935 "New Works" Plan to extend the Bakerloo Line from Elephant & Castle to Camberwell with a station below Camberwell Green (some early maps also show an additional station at Albany Road). Work began but was halted by World War Two. A second attempt to extend to Camberwell surfaced in 1947 but that fell by the wayside too. Since Camberwell is one of the busiest suburbs in south London, it beggars belief that it has not had a station since 1916. A new station there would be of immense benefit in providing relief to the heavily-used buses along Walworth Road and with the railway map of London looking quite different now to how it did in the 1960s, with the Docklands Light Railway and the 1980s stations in Hackney, the fact that Camberwell is still without one is a very unfortunate oversight, despite all the talk in recent years which have come to nothing. A new station at Camberwell and reopening to passengers of the west side triangle at Loughborough Junction and rebuilding of the Catford Loop platforms at Brixton would also provide a new link between Camberwell and Brixton and, if paths were available, allow Thameslink trains to run to and from Victoria too but these, I admit, are just pipe dreams and I can't really see that happening neither. And as for the present plan to extend the Bakerloo Line to Lewisham which is already well served by the DLR and National Rail, when it should be going to Camberwell, it seems that the latter is destined to be forever without a station which, given how busy it is, is really quite pathetic. David, Crouch End, London N8

[TochBusGamesLondon]

Isn't Demark Hill Camberwell's station

[davidbull]

We'll have to use the Camberwell carrot and stick approach man. London is a country comin down from its trip...

[Smart]

It's a shame that Camberwell missed out on quite a few train services over the years of its existence.

But here me out on this, I know I'm jumping the gun and we are nowhere near that money and time period right now, but maybe the next 20 years they should look into this option.

This option is Crossrail 3 from North West to South East supporting Bakerloo, Jubilee and Metropolitan lines and some extent Northern Line and Thameslink. Camberwell, Peckham Rye and Lewisham should be apart of it. Maybe potentially reviving Aldwych.

Again it's a stretch, it's too much money and we are not at that timeline yet. TFL needs to focus on Bakerloo line extensions to Lewisham and hopefully Hayes and Bromley. Also Crossrail 2 is on hold as well.

[mattsawyer]

SE London gets such a poor deal. Fed up of local MPs just accepting no station in Camberwell. Just make it work!

[cheese_curls]

There's no point because Peckham is soo close to camberwell so building it would be a waste of time