The Philosophy of Tobirama Senju - For The Hokage Who Hated The Uchiha (Naruto)

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Taking a look at the Second Hokage, Tobirama Senju, his strengths and weaknesses.

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[SagesRain]

what are your thoughts on the second hokage? personally, i think he has the coldest outfit in all of naruto.


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[madambutterfly]

Tobirama was the Batman to Hasirama’s Superman. Though Batman is a hell of a lot more compassionate than he gets credit for

[camerongrow]

Tobirama feels like such a historical figure. He truely feels like a founding father in that he's resposible for some of the greatest institutions of his nation but also participated and promoted some of its greatest shames.
Not many fantasy worlds are willing to have their historical figures be that polorizing

[thecabbageman]

For me honestly, Tobirama's greatest failure was sacrificing his life and leaving the village at the hands of his still teenage students Hiruzen and Danzo. And that's proven by the fact that their era was the one with the most failures, wars and deaths for the leaf. At that point, they weren't ready to grasp the true ways of the shinobi world, so they stuck to wrong paths that led them both to become terrible leaders

[DanTheDoodler]

Like him or not, nobody can really tell me as a character Tobirama wasn't great. And with the influence he had in Danzo too? Excellent

[nahte]

Tobirama is an interesting character, and honestly just a better Danzo. He was flawed and did some dark stuff he shouldn't have, but good did come from it and he did have some points.
Unlike Danzo who literally never did anything with a net positive result so him talking just comes off as him being stupid or senile. But Tobirama can actually have points to think about.

[dreadpurse]

It’s interesting that Tobirama had no love for the Uchiha clan, yet was able to make an exception for Kagami and make him his student. I would’ve love to see some scenes between Kagami and Tobirama.

[manu]

Rather than hate, I felt that he was really apprehensive about the Uchiha's. And being apprehensive about everything was part of Tobirama's character. Overall, he's a lot like Batman.

[mamaurax]

His japonese voice actor is the same as pein’s. So much presence in that voice its ridiculous!

[TurrettiniPizza]

I always found it interesting how Tobirama never regretted anything he did. Ever other major character displayed some level of self-reflection and regret for their mistakes, even Madara at the very end. But not Tobirama.

[sahitgadde]

Tobirama created the 2 of the most impactful jutsu. Shadow clones and Edo Tensei.

[AzA]

A cool thing I noticed about Tobirama is that as a kid he looked exactly like Naruto, especially with his hair looking slightly blonde and Madara's younger brother Izuna looked exactly like Sasuke. It hints at the link between Hashirama with Naruto and Madara with Sasuke.

[arturleperoke]

10:52
Tobirama: "Elder Brother, you cannot decide who will be next Hokage on your own!"
Also Tobirama: "Hiruzen, my man, thank god you spoke up before that filthy Uchiha Kagami. I personally name you as my successor because I want to! "

[cliffbot]

I mean you can't blame him. He spent a majority of his developing years against them and lost nearly all of his siblings to them. It's understandable he would be weary towards them. The same way the Uchiha would be weary of the Senju.

[perturbedbatman]

Tobirama looked at everything through a logical perspective. Even when everyone was astonished at Obito's transformation into the Juubi Jinchuuriki, he was trying to analyze the situation calmly and logically. I can't say he didn't hate the Uchiha because 1) he was human and 2) had a long history of fighting them, killing them and seeing his comrades and brothers die to them, but his actions were mostly done through logic. He knew the village needed to be a home for the Uchiha and that their abilities could be useful, particularly for fighting crime (Sharingan's perception for looking for clues, hypnosis to see people's memories and determine culpability, etc.) so he gave them rather decent authority. If he outright hated the Uchiha with a passion, he wouldn't have wanted anything to do with them and just plotted to annihilate the rest of them, particularly with them not having their strongest shinobi ever. If a 14-year-old Itachi could kill them in one night, so could shinobi like Danzo, Hiruzen and the rest of his squad (minus Kagami, most likely). Not to mention that if he disliked the Uchiha to such an extent, he wouldn't have trusted even one of them to be part of his team. Sure, he would've been able to keep an eye on him, but again, he's a logical guy. Why would he be willing to take that risk during S-class missions? He also pleaded with Madara not to kill Sasuke, despite him having previously called the kid a scoundrel and believing that he could be another Madara. If he hated the Uchiha so much, what would he have cared what Madara did to Sasuke? If it was just because Sasuke was strong and could be an asset, well, again, Tobirama believed Sasuke could be another Madara, so after the war, there could've been another immediate problem for the Leaf. Tobirama hated the Uchiha, and for good reason, but never allowed that hatred to drive his actions. He was prejudiced against them and believed them to be capable of great damage to the village, but still gave them some authority within the village as a police force. His actions did ultimately sow the seeds for their destruction, but they just as easily could have led to their thriving in the village. The Uchiha weren't moved to the edge of the village until after the Nine Tails attack. That happened because the Uchiha were suspected of having taken control of the Tailed Beast. Part of the reason why is because of the Uchiha's own descent into abuse of power (the other part, of course, being Danzo who was influenced greatly by Tobirama). Had the Uchiha been a better police force and been generally more respected and liked, they would've seen their situation improve and could have seen someone like Itachi become Hokage (and he likely wouldn't have died because whatever ailed him would've been better medicated/treated in the village as opposed to being a rogue ninja). After all, only the village higher-ups believed it to have been a plot by the Uchiha (in one way being correct, but generally not and in large part without a whole lot of evidence), with the rest of the village believing it to have been a freak accident (and mistreating Naruto as a result of that belief). To sum up my doctoral thesis in Animenomics, Tobirama hated the Uchiha but not to insane degrees and not without reason. And what happened after his reign as Hokage were in large part due to the actions of others (even Danzo, though having been influenced by Tobirama, was still responsible for his own actions, particularly given that Hiruzen was also greatly influenced by Tobirama but actively sought to settle things diplomatically with the Uchiha). Thank you for coming to my TardTalk.

[Salemwaaa]

For me Tobirama is the true nature of a waterbender but he lives by the raging waves for Tobirama growing up in a time of war and losing all of his family, his heart turned into a water dragon a ferocious and destructive spirit.

Tobirama’s fear, weariness as well as prejudice towards the rival clan that’s all he’s known for alienating and destroying a potential brotherhood by being casted aside within Konoha.

His heart was driven by what’s necessary not hiding it behind the same empathetic layer that Hashirama had.

[theinfodump]

Tobirama really is a character trapped between good and bad actions. He created a lot of problems but he also solved a lot.

[Icezoot]

I think the main issue is that we saw how shitty Danzo was, and a lot of fans project that shitty image onto Tobirama, as if they’re the same.

I have always found this incredibly strange. Tobirama’s legacy was passed onto Hiruzen, not Danzo. Danzo only hated the uchiha because they were trying to steal the hokage position from him with their coup, and he envied their power.

In Tobirama’s last moments with his students, he chastised Danzo and said that he needed to stop competing with Hiruzen and put the village first.

Danzo ignored him completely and tried to assassinate Hiruzen multiple times, which would’ve weakened Konoha, just to get his position. It was never about Konoha for Danzo, it was about power.

Tobirama wanted anyone who just posed a threat to the village gone. If anyone actually *was* a threat - he would show them no mercy. Danzo was the biggest threat to Konoha out of all. He was on the inside, plotting to assasinate two hokage, working togheter with Konoha’s enemies, creating havoc in other countries in Konoha’s name without permission or without his kage’s knowlegde, putting Konoha children through a death camp. Tobirama would take his traitorous head off his shoulders.

[ackermanlol]

My favourite Naruto character. He's complex and his actions impacted the world in a way no one else's did. Also his design is badass.

[RandomPersonProbably]

Honestly I think Tobirama was one of the most practical and effective Hokage. He created the academy, Chunin exams and various jutzu including both Minato and Narutos signature moves.

Even his “hatred” of the Uchiha is pretty overblown. Was he wary of them, definitely but he had pretty solid reasons since they A killed a lot of his clan and B they have the power to control the 9 tails which could literally destroy the whole village. Think about how everyone was terrified of Naruto during the start of the series then transfer that to a entire clan who can do just as much damage.

Also it’s important to mention the reason he made the Uchiha police force. He told Sasuke the force was meant to put the Uchihas power/emotion into defending the whole village which makes sense why wouldn’t you have the strongest clan in that position. The Anbu dealt with more external affairs like assassinations, defending the Hokage and high risk missions.

Overall most of the things people associate with Tobirama hating Uchiha is with Danzo (Keep in mind Danzo would have been in power decades longer that Tobirama would be Hokage) and how he used Tobiramas policies to undermine the clan to the point they’d rebel.