Talking Third Eye Spies | Lance Mungia

Joining us this week for a chat about both one of my very favourite things and very favourite people is filmmaker Lance Mungia. Lance is the director of the recently released feature documentary, Third Eye Spies.

So in this extended discussion, we explore remote viewing, the amazing Russell Targ, the experience of actually making the film and also speculate on the cosmic implications of the efficacy of remote viewing in general.

Splendid stuff.

***Show Notes***

Third Eye Spies -both the film and the mailing list.

Third Eye Spies on Amazon.

Third Eye Spies on Google Play.

Third Eye Spies on Vimeo.

Lance's YouTube Channel, Waking Universe TV.

Waking Universe Films Facebook Page.

[sidequestsally]

I was listening to this podcast with half an ear on the pod and half an eye on a series of random images I was using to source for an up and coming art project. My eyes went directly to the only image of a dragonfly out of hundreds on my screen nanoseconds before they were mentioned on your pod concerning the remote viewing musical score. I was delighted!

[waylonkohler]

The mentioning of contamination, of the subject perceiving the target in the tester's mind rather than the target location itself, reminded me of a Jacques Vallee interview. Vallee expressed distrust of the hypnotic memory retrieval attempts being used by some researchers to access the memories of alien abduction experiences. Vallee argued that hypnotists can too easy transmit their expectations, I forget how he put it, at least in a way analogous to telepathy if not literally so. I think this may be a really big point. If the expectation of the tester, in any case, happens to be true (preexisting outside of the tester's mind), then the only harm is maybe misattribution of the information source. But if the expectation is false or tester-constructed, then the subject, it would seem, may absorb that perception from the tester, especially if it is believed to be true by the tester.

So, I'm thinking of the case of David Jacobs, the abduction researcher specializing in hypnotic memory retrieval. He seems to have a clear belief regarding the phenomena, and I tend to think that subjects could at minimum receive unconscious nonverbal feedback. So, with apologies to Jacobs if he is right, what if the phenomena is being constructed in his mind, and transferred to the subject? At the more mundane end, it would be a false memory (as discussed in Elizabeth Loftus' work), but what if the phenomena can also become an independent construct? It would mean that some alien (in the Vallee sense) phenomena was human generated. Or further down the rabbit hole, what if the phenomena itself is using people like Jacobs to manifest itself in a relatively non-physical form?

But in a broader view, if the mechanism of thought contamination is true as discussed, what implications would that hold for a host of other communications (e.g. sexual interaction, magical instruction, psychotherapy, etc)?

[crosspotent]

Good ole reader's digest, amen. :]

[justme-tjjt]

It's interesting that most folks need science and those with degrees to confirm connectedness... Being Indigenous we know this to be true. As a Magician this reality is confirmed. We are all connected to everything and everyone, all that every was and everything that will ever be. Great show, thank you...

[pnptcn]

Now I can't stop thinking about the PKD novel 'The Zap Gun.'

[dvowls]

Good one.
This seems like it would be perfect Gordon, but I've never heard you mention Ted Owens. When Jeffrey Mishlove was mentioned today I thought the conversation might get around to Ted Owens but it never did.

[farmerfreakeasy]

Some people were prophesizing the attack of 9/11 back in 1988.
The reason so many people weren't at work that day is probably because they were all forewarned.

[dustinwheelwright]

Any opinions on danald Michael kraig I like 11 lessons and just bout 12 any recommendations or opinions are appreciated i did the lbrp when I was like 12 and I was told not to leave after and I did and I have practiced since very long story would to continue with magick its part of me and its time to practice again any opinions on other books or just better magick books in general would be appreciated thank you people

[kabud]

Why would they stop ESP program? They might have had a pact with soviets. Now it seems logical ! I recal an episode from 1995... I have heard a story from a very serious and accomplished physicist, in the past involved at the very top in weapons design for the USSR ; they brought him here somehow in the early 90-s. So his first lecture presentation to the real big guys was supposed to happen at one of the prominent US physics labs for nuclear research or something, say, like the SRI or Los Alamos. This guy is like 6"5, strong guy in his late 50s. Besides having a unique brain for physics he also has one of the strongest ESP talents. A big body has even bigger brain

So he and his wife drive towards that conference place and then all of a sudden they both feel like bad, as if there was an INFLUENCE on them. So they had to stop over at the motel. This is what he told: " I `saw`(mentally) a `psy operator` with some equipment performing some sort of an assault on myself, so I had to instinctively deflect the impact. And I am afraid the deflected `impulse` killed that operator, multiplied by the rule of `9` "

Very soon he learned his meeting was canceled and a `warrant` or restriction was issued to forbid him personally to approach THAT LAB 100 miles.

Episode from circa 95, 96

There are several theories here
1) someone got afraid of his ESP reading skills as in he ca see all corruption right away
2) it was `russians` who learned that a former top scientist in USSR will be working directly for the top projects for US defense and they assaulted him and then did some ?? more??
3) it was competition for contracts for paradigm level defense funds (space defense versus say a superjet)

it could also be that soviets demanded that Americans drop the guy ...BUT not because he was one of the leading scientists for the soviet nuclear triad,

because : they had a pact btw USA and USSR to stop using weaponized ESP

This guy could read books locked down some safe . Or create a totally new brand of physics based on Cabbalah which he did.

[keithsweet]

I know a really successful remote viewer, he can be seen on goggle box, he is the older brother who sits with his father and younger brother they are Indian or Pakistani decent, ,can't think of their names

[thedelgadobrothersband]

You should have paid the $600.00 for the candle.

[louishillman]

I've always been struck at how incompetent our most advanced techne' has been in its inability to touch even the most basic systematic problems of our societies, which seem to involve distribution: food, clothing, shelter, medicine, transport. At that point I think that SRI, the CIA and such are actually part of the problem. Russell Targ was an employee of the military industrial complex, Lockheed Martin. Ever try to get your child to the library in a war zone? Not really a lot of big-picture thinking going on there, especially with the recent Saudi arms purchase for purportedly firing on school buses.

[stvbrsn]

Apple 2e. Feh.

I was playing with TRS—80s back in jr. high. Around 1979.

[ETHANR]

wtf is wrong with people putting all the extra content on iTunes? We get it, you use apple products. Stop shitting on everyone else in the world with your proprietary fallout, plz?