Why can't we get net migration down?

With Lord Glasman, Tim Leunig, Karl Williams, Poppy Coburn and Luke Sheridan

[GodsOwnPrototype]

20:35 A truth spoken clearly - though the ultimate reasons why were not truly stated & the consequences for native peoples not even touched upon.

[GodsOwnPrototype]

17:30 Has the population of foreign extraction been excluded from the results? He says the approval levels will increase - doubtlessly so as the numbers of foriegn extraction continues to rise.

[nsoper]

Maybe someone can help me here. If other countries can train a surplus of carers, doctors etc, why cant we do so too? Why do we need to drain the surplus intellectuals of third world countries to just keep the UK running?

[advocate]

Absolutely no discussion of 10m working age
in the UK sitting on their bums doing nothing for a variety of reasons. Why do we need a single immigrant as long as these are the.numbers and expanding rapidly?
I am an academic at one of the UK's famous universities (world class apparently). I confirm that English language skills are declining and the visa.system is most certainly being abused (indeed, students have.asked me to be complicit in such matters).
I am also a landlord. All the data in our industry shows that immigration is pouring oil on the fire of the housing crisis. Our numbers for applicants per room are at an.all time high (we have tracked the data for 15 years, and Spareroom rent statiatics tell a story of huge increases in the past 24 months.
Immigration as an issue is breaking the culture of the country. it will not end well.

[GodsOwnPrototype]

18:46 Putting aside the cream selection effect & not being representative of the average in their home country, there is the issue of continually doing down the especially male working class contingent for decades & priorotising time & resouces on more opposite cohorts.

[GodsOwnPrototype]

Why is giving native Britons of the UK demographic & cultural security so offensive to these people?
& why do they feel so entitled to deny people that when clearly haven't the right?

These non proposed, demographic & cultural policies of increasingly marginalising & minoritising Native Britons, that were never openly proposed or voted for, but in fact voted against have been a disaster & need to be stopped & reversed.

School student body demographic reporting have the children of English families becoming a minority in the English school system in around 10 years.
By the trends of the official voluntarily provided census figures, along with official immigration ones since, the English nation will be a minority in their homeland in a mere few decades & all Britons (in the Isles not just the UK) will be some short years after that, & who knows what the reality on the ground means for how much sooner crossing each of these demographic thresholds will occur.

Still no mention of this on tv, or most of the supposedly independent & dissident online media, the omerta remains unbroken & the slow walk ethnic cleansing into dissolution continues.

We want, have appealed for & are entitled to demographic & cultural security in our homeland from our institutions who are denying us it.

It IS an existential issue & we are rapidly approaching a point when self defence calculus applies.

Organisations like the IFS & OBR never criticise bringing in millions of people who haven't paid in but immediately draw from the public purse, are a weight on public services & housing & only a minority of whom ever contribute anything, with an even smaller number meeting the costs their presence imposes, let alone surpass them.

Nor do they criticise & attack borrowing billions to pay for unneccesary things the public doesn't want & hasn't called or voted for & aren't good for the families of the nations of this country.

But billions for people who've broken into the country or overstayed illegally (the majority) & are costing far more than they could generate in tax contributions, services provided & infrastructure built, let alone what they actually do.

A policy of mass remigration would be the foundation of a cure for all sorts of ills: housing (especially social), waiting lists, traffic, rubbish mess, prison overcrowding, child g3n!tal mut!lat!on, acid attacks, stabb!ngs, shame k!llings, bl00d feuds, r*pe, s3xual assaults, modern day slavery, fraud scams & the general degradation of social trust that comes with a high churn, ethnically diverse society.

When I checked last year, only 44.5% of the White British population are under 40 according to official ONS stats. (Which is to say 44.5% of the 73.5% of the official population on the basis of voluntary census data, giving 32.7% of the official total)

Offical ONs stats had the population of just England at 56.5million, of which 41.54million are White British, of whom only 9.14milllion are females under 40 (this demographic is the reproductive generational portal) & we have been below replacement fertility (2.1 children) for half a century & half of women at 30 are now childless & even if all 2.5mil of them try for a single child only half will succeed; that only leaves 6.64mil under 30s to have children with co-ethnics & provide most of the demographic future of the English.
Current trends showing fewer than half (3.2mil) will; whilst the inflows of millions of foreign extraction continue (policies of just population stability puts the official figure of foreign extraction to match the gap at circa 60mil) & will likely continue to increase as the easiest lever to pull for (headline not per capita) GDP growth - unless you stand on the principle that the native people of the land not being outnumbered & replaced in most of their homeland is more important than line-go-up

[ChristopherPhillips]

Listening to the ex Civil servant you understand why we are in the mess we are in now. The absolute belief that immigration is a "good" thing.

[NGE]

I love this government backed think tank, so white and middle class. As a banker myself, more people = more profits. Not sure what everyone else gets in return. No migrants in my area anyway

[nicholashanson]

the civil servant is making the argument that heroine is good for the heroine-user

[anibrown]

The language of immigration has created unrealistic expectations both for incomers and host population. Migrants move in order to better their own lives. Migration more recently is couched in terms around 'contributing to the economy'. Migrants sending remittances to families back home now opt for family reunification - post war we had sponsorship systems to bring people across. Until people - voters and govt' -accept that people move to live not necessarily to work, though one thing tends to lead to the other, we will continue dickering with policies which seem to cancel each other.

[robertw]

I love this. An intelligent conversation about immigration. Civilised people care about immigration. This is exactly what we need, to reduce anger and frustration, by raising awareness of the complexities.