Kathleen Zellner talks evidence in Steven Avery's case - RAV4 Theory - Making A Murderer 2024 Update

[leegoeke]

Sheriff Herman has a junk yard in Cleveland Wisc 7 miles south of manitowoc, yes I believe that is a different one and that’s why they don’t want zellner to get her hands on it

[DaveBegotka]

Misty Teal Mica trim packages are different too

[robertdahse]

When the missing person flyers came out, they were looking for a green Rav4

[MariaMar-evxd]

I don't care what color the car is/had/has in photos, I just want it "for scientific testing"!!!! ALL of it, in and out!
TEST that RAV, is MANDATORY! And by someone competent, this time ...if it's not too much to ;)

[doubledee]

Keep them coming!!! We have been getting some nice warm weather lately !!

[michellestafford]

There are 2 Rav 4 T.H had a Dark Green. The one Avery SY was a Blue one. I think that T.H is still alive.

[RumorHasIt]

I never really bought into the 2 Rav theory. I’ve explored the reasons why some do believe in it and it’s just not compelling enough to seriously consider it imo.

I have color changing paint on my car too. It looks blue in my garage especially under the fluorescent light and dark purple when it’s parked outside under the natural light. You also have to consider the flash and exposure when the photos were taken because that can also alter the perception of color.

LE did so many sketchy things in this case that can be perceived as intentional, nefarious, incompetent, or just shitty investigating/police work so I understand why theories like this exist. They did it to themselves so I have no sympathy for any of them. I think it’s good Kathleen is addressing some of these issues.

[douglashenson]

I think there were 2 RAV4's. There was more to the theory or suspicion than just the color. I only vaguely remember but there were issues with the VIN (appeared to have been tampered with); damage to the front driver side corner; something in the driver side front wheel well. Maybe more but I can't remember. I remember thinking that there may have been too much forensic evidence in Teresa's car that would contradict the story law enforcement wanted to tell so they had to use another car which they obtained from the competing salvage yard owned by someone involved in law enforcement. They didn't have time to find a RAV4 of the exact same color and they didn't have to because people believe law enforcement would not lie. Hopefully some one else can fill in the details that I cannot remember.

[RAVs]

If there was only one RAV, the State would have given it to KZ and said go for it. Do your testing, then go away. But here Kz has reproduced State supplied photos. Why was Kim P'litzker's vacation photo with the RAV in Black and White? If Teresa took good care of her car, why does it look like a wreck at ASY?

[MalibuGrailorProduct]

Zellner is concentrating on the color while totally ignoring the tone. Teresa's door handles, mirror cover, bumpers and siding are all the same color - green. The Manitowoac County Sheriff planted a blue RAV4 with black handles, black mirror covers and grey bumpers. And yet New Scott admits he does not believe that there are two different RAV4's. There are no pictures of the data sticker in any evidence. All pictures are blurred and the vin was detached and damaged and Zellner says it's the same. New Scott is in fact fake news.

[jenagrishaw]

I’ve seen all the pictures and there are definitely two ravs. It’s not just the color that’s different if u examine both Ravs There are so many differences plus the car they found was not in good condition like hers was. I think they got it from another junkyard and planted it there to be honest, and just so happened that someone in the police force had a family member that owned a salvage yard what a coincidence

[flyandshy]

It's teal. In the morning we have yellow light, in a day time - blue, and in the evening - more of the red tone. It changes.

[shanecarless]

8 references to a green coloured RAV4. Yet a blue one turns up on ASY.

[CarolAnn]

TH’s RAV4 was mystic teal mica - a colour between blue and green with the mica added it would reflect different colours. I don’t believe in 2RAV4s but I do want her to get access to the RAV4 in custody to check for Bobby’s DNA - she already has his results because police had it examined.

[jamescrane]

I stay neutral on this subject. I don't know. I have seen people go much more into detail on the research that far exceeded the color argument. As far as the argument they would have gotten one exactly alike, we have to remember that without MAM, none of this comes up. Who was going to question the RAV. ? The real question here is why they would need to do that ? What would cause them to need two RAV 4s ? If we can find that answer we should be in a better spot to decide. Hint if they get the car back from the crime lab, they may find the answer

[MalibuGrailorProduct]

The photo of the ASY-RAV is 760 Mystic Teal Mica, Black Hardware and Grey Trim and privacy glass unlike TMH's RAV is all 6P3 Deep Jewel Green with green tinted privacy glass is a photogenic comparison and not a theory.

[MrAnonymous-dtgi]

I dismiss the two rav 4 theory.

I've had a jacket that was black but depending on the lighting looked green and even brown.

The rav may look blue, but it does have green in it.

There's a number of factors at play which you've mentioned. Lighting, the camera, dust on the rav 4 could affect the colour.

[johnwilliamfaulkjr]

Her family didn't think this was important enough to mention it looks blue in some lighting and green in others so this Mica teal was all Ken Kratz idea to solve the color people were saying 2 Ravs and the state went overboard making excuses but if they knew this was true they would not bother explaining .

[Iazzaboyce]

Here are some facts which prove the police knew that after TH's work meeting with SA at ASY (31 Oct), the Rav4 was not on ASY and therefore must have been moved onto ASY at a later time.
LE were notified of TH's disappearance at 4pm 03 Nov. At this time they were informed of TH's 31 Oct work appointment locations and given evidence/information indicating possible abduction/murder.
The same day (03 Nov) LE went to ASY and spoke to SA at 7pm. SA informed LE, TH had driven her Rav4 off ASY at approx 3pm, immediately after her 31 Oct ASY appointment.
The following day (04 Nov) at around 10am LE spoke with SA at ASY and carried out a consent search of SA's trailer home and garage.
Also, on 04 Nov, LE sheriff appeared on local TV news. He stated the case was: _"suspicious in origin"_ the news stated: _"TH's last stop was at SA's home"_ the sheriff further stated: _"This is the last place she is seen alive and seen by somebody and of course we are going to be concerned and interested in that area"_ The news then said, the sheriff was conducting an aerial search for TH's Rav4 as this was _"a major key in the investigation"_
The following day (05 Nov) 2 female volunteer searchers were given owner consent to search ASY and located TH's Rav4 on ASY at 10:30am.
So, how do the above undisputable facts prove LE must have known the Rav4 was initially not on ASY and was moved onto ASY later?
The answer, is because: LE did not properly attempt to rescue TH or gather evidence which might convict someone of a probable crime. The state case against SA is LE did not know the location of TH or the Rav4 and therefore LE did not know TH was not held captive or dead on ASY or the Rav4 was not on ASY.
During a missing person investigation, LE follow official procedure and must make an immediate decision as to the likely seriousness of the disappearance. If the case is deemed serious (critical) then procedure requires LE to immediately conduct a thorough search of the last known whereabouts, to look for the person; for any other evidence and to preserve the area as a possible crime scene.
There is no question this case was classified as 'critical' from the moment LE were notified because, there were obvious reasons to suspect TH was the victim of crime.
So, why did LE not search ASY to see whether TH or the Rav4 were there? Did LE just assume TH was not held captive or that finding the Rav4 there would not be important evidence?
Something is very wrong with the inadequacy of LE searches for TH and the 'key evidence' Rav4:

1) A detective quickly looking in SA's trailer/garage/yard for TH or the Rav4.
2)The sheriff flying over ASY and stating in his report he was 'too high to make out vehicle types'.
3) No police search of ASY for TH or the Rav4.

It's not just the things we do that determine our intent and constitute our acts – it's also the things we do not do. If we turn on a light - we want to lighten the room, but, if we do not turn on a light in a dark room - we want the room to remain dark. LE were obligated by official procedure and civic duty to immediately search the ASY for TH and the Rav4. They had over 40 hours in which to do this; it is clear they chose not to. Why?

_"Milwaukee Police Department Missing Persons Investigation Procedure:"_
_"C. CRITICAL MISSING A person who has been reported missing and meets any of the following criteria:"_
_"2. There is reasonable suspicion to believe the disappearance of the missing person is not voluntary and/or the missing person is the victim of foul play."_
_"2. Reporting Factors: a. Location last seen, last seen with, date and time last seen."_
_"A. INITIAL INVESTIGATION:"_
_"2. Conduct a search of the last location the missing person was seen and conduct an interview of those that last saw the missing person."_
_"3. Fully identify and separately interview anyone at the scene of the disappearance of the missing person and treat the location as a possible crime scene."_
_"4. Identify any areas at the incident scene that have been disrupted or may have the potential for the presence of evidence and safeguard those areas."_
_"5. Broadcast a description of the missing person and vehicle."_

So, the following is what LE actually wants everyone to believe: _'We got information a young woman had driven her car onto a junkyard and had not been seen since. From the details we believed this was suspicious and we were very concerned for her safety. We conducted a consent search of a trailer home on the junkyard and a flyover of the entire junkyard. In more than 40 hours we did not think it was necessary to conduct an LE search of the junkyard for the missing woman or her car.'_

Can anyone actually believe this? Is it really possible for (genuine) LE to have acted this way in the same (LE stated) circumstances? Is it more believable the LE flyover of ASY and LE SA trailer search were to give an appearance of correct civic duty and procedure and the real reason LE did not conduct a search of ASY is LE knew it would confirm what they already knew was true - the Rav4 was not on ASY and that time (darkness) was needed to move the Rav4 onto ASY.
Then having 2 volunteer women find the Rav4 would give appearance LE were not trying to frame SA.

Did you know that, following the discovery of the Rav4 on ASY, LE conducted an immediate search of the ASY, stating in reports: _'we quickly searched outbuildings as there was chance TH was alive'_

[johnwilliamfaulkjr]

There were 2 Ravs now the state is stuck with the decoy colors doesn't count when the tailpipes are different in the photos