The Framework of New EU UK Relations: High Level Debate with Sir Ivan Rogers & Ambassador Tom Hanney

On 4th & 5th March 2021 the DCU Brexit Institute hosted an event 'The Framework of New EU-UK Relations' which constituted the book workshop preliminary to the publication of Federico Fabbrini (ed), “The Law & Politics of Brexit. Volume 3. The Framework of Future EU-UK Relations” (forthcoming with Oxford University Press).

Friday 5th March
Final High-Level Debate
Chair: Federico Fabbrini (DCU Brexit Institute)
Sir Ivan Rogers (former UK Perm Rep to the EU)
Amb. Tom Hanney (Ireland Perm Rep to the EU)

[erwinvereecken]

From Belgium here, it’s not worth the effort negotiating now. No deal, WTO, and a cool down period of a couple of years.

[johnjeanb]

France here: the critical point is that the UK political team is not really interested in a working deal (observe how many negative actions have been made to torpedo any true working together). The result is the EU initially started dealing with Brexit in a positive - problem-solving attitude is now moving toward a much harder position where the UK will suffer mightily. The UK-EU trade is ravaged, the TCA is on hold until the WA (NIP) is complied with, the services (Financial services) will be more about how to have them transferred to the EU than any equivalence to UK-based firms. We are getting close to a point where the UK will get NOTHING. European citizens were initially very friendly with the UK but are now resenting the hostile attitude and will now support a very firm (intransigent) dealing with war-waging diplomats like Mr Frost

[oak]

Maybe the EU no longer concerns itself with the UK, partly because many in the EU now expect the UK will no longer be around in five to ten years as it is now?

[therealrobertbirchall]

No wonder the 27 states of the EU are rooting for Scottish independence, playing the long game for the disingenuous and disreespectfull way the UK government has behaved over the exit 'negotiations'.

[klausratsmann]

German here.. I believe from a pure trade perspective, including financial trade relationships, I don‘t see a positive UK perspective. I am convinced that the EU is highly interested in maintaining or reestablish the other agendas, like security issues, defence etc. Unfortunately the development of normal relations will take decades. However, the EU has a strong interest. Trade will not be priority 1.

[saddoncarrs]

A very interesting discussion, as are most discussions on brexit. I did find it odd, however, that when Ivan Rogers was talking about expecting short term problems between the UK and the EU, with perhaps better relations in around ten years time, he never thought to mention the possibility that there may not be a UK in ten years.

[franwalsh]

ALL GOODS PRODUCED IN THE UK. SHOULD HAVE TO ENTER THE EU through the Greek islands

[Detector]

Well, all signs points to an antagonistic relationship which has been obvious since B. Johnson took power.

[jeant]

No warm or friendly relationship ahead then, a cold war between the UK and EU 🤔

[johncapo]

I dont see anyway anyone at the EU wanting to do Boris any favors
alot of these issues will end in EU court, the UK will ignore them
the world will then have to take sides.( most will go with the EU due to its size)
this where the EU will then squeeze the hell out of the UK ( PYTHON )

[rhobatbrynjones]

Boris Johnson represents the pinnacle of a resurgent English nationalism, where to be English is not be European. His cavalier attitude to Ireland has a long history and he is now seeking to impose a Greater England model on the nations of Scotland and Wales. Johnson appears to be adopting a union of the English speaking people's approach where a supine relationship to the USA is more important than the nations of the current Union and our major trading partner, the EU.

[garyb]

The UK and EU has had no growth for decades because of EU policies.
Consider how much the EU has already declined relative to the United States. Fifteen years ago, according to the IMF, the GDP of the Eurozone was just under $14 trillion, while the U.S. economy was marginally bigger.
Today, the Eurozone’s GDP is just under $15 trillion, a modest rise by any standards. But the U.S.’s GDP has roared ahead to $25 trillion, making its economy 60 per cent bigger than the Eurozone. That’s a lot of relative economic decline for the Euro area in just a decade and a half.
The failure of Europe to keep pace with America has taken its toll on living standards. The average EU country is now poorer per head than every state in America bar Idaho and Mississippi.
The EU is a dismal failure just look at the facts and figures !

[gloin]

"The Framework of New EU UK Relations..."?

Not very hopeful, if Sir Ivan Rogers is to be believed...

[johncapo]

why is the Ambassador hiding half his face

[johnwalsh]

Excuse the pung but as long the tories are in power there will always be a frosty relationship

[raatroc]

The EU has no reason to help the UK in any way now. If Brexit would have, even minor, advantages that could help counter-EU forces (i.e. ultra right wing) and that's not what we want. The U.K. and the U.S. have gone in this direction with Trump and Johnson.

[alexanderromanov]

According to the Mirror, the following Nando's stores are currently shut:

Leicester
Dudley
Hornchurch, Essex
Basildon, Essex
Sevenoaks, Kent
Chiswick, London
Bethnal Green, London
Park Royal, London
Kensington, London
Hove, East Sussex
Swindon, Wiltshire
Manchester, Arndale branch
Manchester, Oxford Road branch
Manchester, White City branch
Cardiff, Wales

[yuutonosuri]

Ok you guys will go on front lines this time around

[bicyclemanNL]

Brit in NL, or should I say Englishman as passports are likely to be various shades of blue in the near future.
British exceptionalism with a patriotic apppeal bought out the worst of many Brits.

Sit by the river and watch the enemies of your bodies float by - Sun Tzu.
The EU don;t have to do a thing, other than to be ready to negotiate as the Brits will fall into line eventually. It could be sooner if Johnson caves but is his signature worth anything - it would be sold to the public as 'we got the EU to bend'... took back control etc.

Blue wall is cracking as reality kicks in. UK will still be a mess as it is reducing it's democracy day by day.

[jmccullough]

Very disingenuous. As we have seen with Switzerland, the EU only has interest in what it can control. Using words like ambitious is really only intended as a mask for that control.