The Most Cliche Alternate History Map

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[themexicanhistorian]

Thanks for analysing my map! It makes really happy to see it being explored by the alternate history community even months after I made it and I have the biggest smile on my face watching this jaja, although I must say I find it really funny how my most popular post ever was essentially a shitpost. I felt the need to explain some of my more unconventional choices here while watching the vid. The independent west coast was a mixture of kaiserreich and a good chunk of alternate future maps which break away the area for reasons I don't understand really well either. As for the 2 paths for the USA, I chose collapse over mega state because it gave me a chance to show other surrounding cliches like quebec and balkanized mexico. For south america I did get a lot of feedback about the borders not changing which I felt was more common in HOI4 than other forms of alternate history but my own biases as a latin america centered creator may have influenced my choice to instead showcase other cliches. You are also correct about the pink map although perhaps I could have made it clearer and the congo lake while rather rare is seen in some really big alternate histories like TNO and that's why I decided to include it despite not being quite so cliche, plus it helps the region look a bit more different since it is usually ignored a lot and as such hasn't develoed many cliches sadly. Finally just to adress anyone who feels bad about their favorite tropes being here I just want to mention that the intent of the map was not to mock these, as most of them have a lot of interesting story telling potential if done well but simply to have fun seeing how many cliches I could fit into map that still somewhat made some form of sense (but not much). Great video! I am glad it was sent to me, you have gained a new subscriber jaja

[chronology.]

>most cliche map
>New Zealand is missing
Seems about right

[BassebZaob]

Ironically, by combining all these clichés, the creator has made the least cliché map possible

[digitaldespot]

everybody remembers Texas' time as a nation before statehood, no one remembers Hawaii being its own sovereign kingdom before statehood.

[petersmythe]

Chile's borders makes perfect sense when you look at an elevation or rainfall map. Sure it's a long skinny Spaghetti of a country but natural geography practically dictates it to exist.

[johnecoapollo]

He really did manage to fit almost every cliche in one map.

[princeimrahil]

My favorite trope is that no matter how history changes or how America forms, Texas is always independent in these. It's like we're living in the only timeline where it isn't. I really lost it when I read Man in the High Castle, and realized even in a world where the Axis invaded America and Nazis rule Washington DC, Texas (as part of the border zone) still manages to be independent lmao

[jvbrod]

The trope of independent California has two origins: if it happens in the 21st century and late 20th it is a liberal secession against a Very Conservative USA, basically the left version of the Confederates. If it happens in the early 20th century, it probably has to do with Californian exceptionalism. Also Fallout played a big part in making this trope Popular.

[lordofefrafa]

> _"Ireland wants to be united and it makes sense to have the island unify"_

This car bomb has been brought to you by Ulster Volunteer Force gang.

[ZedAufDEU]

Funfact: Bulgaria is the only country in ww2 that Got out of the war with more territory then before as an axis member

[duskpede]

i think the west coast independence thing comes from the fact that it wasn't fully colonised until after the civil war, so grouping it with either the north or the south doesn't vibe well (plus it would make the balance of power tilted way towards whichever side got it) so they make it independent.

plus geographically it is sort of an island since its seperated from the east by a band of the least densely populated states

[sonicmeerkat]

Now we need an alternative history story that somehow gets the world map looking exactly like this.

[Speedwagon..]

Australasian cliche:
Unite Australia with all Islands in Pacific Ocean into one single state called Oceania or Australasia.

[isitalwaysero]

You should definitely check out more of TheMexicanHistorians stuff, they made a really good “What If Latin America was Stronger” Scenario

[dominicadrean]

What if the Vikings stayed in America and more Europeans overtime colonized it like the English French in Germans and there we get a medieval America

[jeffparker]

What’s really wild about alt history is that the community tends to be split on either monarchist German empire supreme or communist world republic

[eeshsinger]

Awesome content as always. In my opinion, the pre-opium war Qing Dynasty is an underrated border map.

[cerebrummaximus]

*To be fair, this map looks really nice. I'd change (as well as tropes I've seen):*

• Restoration/ Survival of Mali kingdom

• Cyprus to not be British, whether that is by having it independent, Greek, or split between Greece and Turkey.

• Just a suggestion: Bulgaria-Romania Union (which was a proposal at one point, and common in alt, hist maps)

• Slightly larger Albania (just slightly). A really common trope is Kosovo becoming Albanian, whilst Serbia expanding on other frontiers.

• Guiana/ Suriname to the Dutch

• Baltic region independent from Germany. Whether that is as an independent Baltic union, or having Estonia Nordic

• A common trope I've seen is split Italy, usually north--south, however it'll make the map worse imo.

• One thing I'd change, is make New Zealand actually exist on the map, but it's a common trope to make it not exist.

• I've seen New Zealand, where the now-under water continent is slightly less underwater. More authority to the Maori, and/or Kiwi Tasmania are also common tropes I've seen

• More info on smaller island nations. What happened to Mauritius (did the dodo survive?), what happened to the rest of Oceania?

[nanowithbeans]

I am honestly loving videos like this delving into constant elements of alternate history. Not a lot of people talk about how Alternate history is basically a political writing made like tropes.

[jwil]

Regarding Italy’s colonies in Africa: they also have Tunisia in this map, a callback to how they saw themselves as the successors of Rome and Tunisia as the successors of Carthage.