The Absurdity of Dragon Ball Super's Powercreep

Characters grow stronger all the time in Dragon Ball, but is it getting too out of hand? Today we'll be talking about one of my biggest gripes with modern Dragon Ball, powercreep. We'll look at how this hurts the story, and look at some crazy examples, such as how Goku surpasses... Vegito!?

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[SaladSaiyan]

Simple solution: Turn Goku (and Vegeta) into kids with an accidental wish. Dragon Ball GTuper 🗿

[natzo]

Frieza being a mutant means he could have hidden from Goku on Namek, do 1 push up, and be as strong as SSJ2 Gohan.

[JB-bcry]

I think the issue with Dragon Ball in particular is that "Being stronger" is very ill defined and basically only tied to physical strength and amount of Ki a fighter has. "Stronger" fighters are just ones that can make bigger attacks, not ones that are actually good at martial arts or strategy in battle.

[Muppet]

I'm so glad you brought up #17! I'm so annoyed that he got so ridiculously strong by fighting poachers while #18 trained with martial arts masters for years and isn't way stronger.

[avito]

They should just get different abilities instead of more powerful like "oh no this evil dude has a weird ability we are going to have to learn how to counter it" it would be better than having goku go Mastered UISSGSS

[ClubberOntop]

It’s Like Every Arc They Get Hundreds Of Time’s Stronger

[jayb]

This video is 2 years old at the time I'm watching it, and the amazing thing is that the exact solutions that are brought up ended up happening in DBS: Super Hero. They had a story where Goku and Vegeta were absent, and they had Gohan and Piccolo achieve new transformations.

[majinisy]

Let's not forget that Goku can casually use UI so just imagine how strong would the future villains be, and saying in the manga that there are still STAGES OF UI doesn't help.

[jacenjustice]

We can jump on DBS' back, but the real problem started when Goku went from a power level of 416 vs Raditz, to a power level of 150, 000, 000 vs Frieza. Shit made no sense even with King Kai, Zenkai, gravity training, and the ssj1 form. Everything went from zero to 100 real fast. But nostalgia won't let you see how stupid that shit was.

[minedantaken]

The problem isn't the power creep itself, but if it's accompanied by bad writing, it gets worse

[imperfectmyst]

I Really hated Resurrection F on how they made all the Z warriors look like a bunch of Puppies Compared to Goku and Vegeta almost if The writers didnt care about them anymore almost the same in the Morro arc Even in the Granola arc Vegeta is slowly slipping away making Goku the Most OP one cause now i really dont care for Goku Like He is Juiced up!

[KaiserMattTygore]

I missed when each portion of an Arc would (even briefly) have a different protag that was technically "the strongest" Namek and Cell sagas were aboslutely the BEST for this.

[SpectroliteDS]

Honestly as far as i'm concerned, the point of no return was Mastered Ultra instinct. Its mere existence in the hands of Goku was a loaded gun, let alone having him now able to freely such a blatantly overpowered form. Omen was alright because though powerful and amazing defensively, it demonstrated some clear flaws and limitations that stopped it from being too powerful, requiring some finesse to get around said limitations (best shown with Goku vs Kefla).

Quite frankly, as controversial an opinion as this may be, but Dragonball's overuse of transformations has honestly gotten to the point of damaging it more than anything else, seeing that now they're literally all that matters anymore. "your villain is stupidly powerful to the point of one-shotting literally everyone? Here's a ritual to become a god!"
"An old enemy needs to come back but be able to keep up with said god powers? give him a golden coat of paint, but also give some hair dye to the saiyans to fight said form"
"this new not villain grows too fast to keep up with? let's take the just recently established blue form and bring back the kaioken! (honestly glad to see it again, but honestly could've been handled better in the long run)"
"oh crap this guy's immortal and has a fake goku with his own pink form, let's give trunks a new form out of nowhere with zero explanation!"
"aw gee guys, this jiren fellow is really strong, we better give Goku and Vegeta some new forms to fight him with! Oops, we also gave discount broly her own 'unique' form before fusing her into the personification of broken power scaling!"

Yes, i'm aware this also happened in Z, but it somehow wasn't quite as bad as super in this regard, though it absolutely kick started the whole problem, especially after the android saga. (you know it's bad when GT is actually the least terrible offender of the lot with only one new transformation for the entire series)

[mastrblastr]

Just the thought that characters like Tien, Yamcha, and Krillin, who used to he able to match and even beat Goku, are used as fodder fighters now. IMO, one of the worst moments of powercreep is Goku and Tien vs. Gohan and Piccolo. Tien literally does absolutely nothing in the fight and he has to call it off just because he's so far behind, and the fight devolves into Goku vs. Gohan.

[Wolfdawg]

It's crazy how almost every solution you suggested towards the end happened between the Granolah Arc and DB SuperHero movie. Vegeta got a new form to keep up with UI, Gohan and Piccolo got to face a villain while Goku and Vegeta were off world, and they too got new forms to keep up with UI and UE.

Nice!

[kbmahan]

It’s called lazy writing can’t think of having a unique character moment to have your characters figure out a challenge “there’s a thing called power ups”

[koonteriskool]

I actually remember when Yajirobe was one of the strongest fighters in Dragon Ball.

[zachkirksey]

I think that freezas power lvl kinda lead the way to the power creep
We went from 1200 being insane to 60 million in just a few arcs
I think he should've been scaled around ten million. That still woulve been absolutely insane but almost believable

[norqdbi]

I’ve wanted piccolo to get a form or get the humans a form that they learn from the namekian book of legend

[Maximus]

Goku becoming so powerful that he leaves everyone else in the dust?

*Already happened in* *_GT..._*