Was Brron/Zure/Scarr About To Defeat Jaden? [Turning The Page]

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[andrewbost]

"Just hang tight Chazz!" "Hang tight!? I'm in chains, man! I can't hang any tighter!"

One of my favorite jokes in the series.

[SnipeMD]

13:29 Jaden does actually have a way of winning this duel against Zure without Freed. After a LOT of thinking, here's how he'd do it:

• Jaden would need to draw _“Convert Contact”_ during his Draw Phase.

• Jaden would activate _“Convert Contact”, _ sending the _“Neo-Spacian Flare Scarab”_ from his Hand and _“Neo-Spacian Grand Mole”_ from his Deck to the Graveyard to draw 2 cards. The two cards Jaden would need to draw here would be _“Cocoon Party”_ and _“Cocoon Rebirth”._

•  Jaden would then play _“Cocoon Party”._ Because _“Neo-Spacian Grand Mole”, “Neo-Spacian Glow Moss”_ and _“Neo-Spacian Flare Scarab”_ are in Jaden's Graveyard, _"Cocoon Party"_ would allow Jaden to Special Summon _“Chrysalis Larva”, “Chrysalis Pinny”_ and _“Chrysalis Mole”_ from his Deck.

• Jaden would then play _“Cocoon Rebirth”, _ tributing _“Chrysalis Larva”, “Chrysalis Pinny”_ and _“Chrysalis Mole”_ to Special Summon _“Neo-Spacian Flare Scarab”, “Neo-Spacian Glow Moss”_ and _“Neo-Spacian Grand Mole”_ respectively from his Graveyard. The ATK of _“Neo-Spacian Flare Scarab”_ would also become 2100 because of the four cards Zure has in his Spell and Trap Card Zone like normal.

• Jaden would then enter his Battle Phase and attack _“Power Annihilator”_ with _“Neo-Spacian Grand Mole”._ Both monsters have effects that activate during the Damage Step, but because the effect of _“Neo-Spacian Grand Mole”_ is an *OPTIONAL* effect and the effect of _“Power Annihilator”_ is a *MANDATORY* effect, the effect of _“Power Annihilator”_ would activate *FIRST* then Jaden would chain the effect of _“Neo-Spacian Grand Mole”_ to it *SECOND* and the chain would then resolve in reverse order. _“Neo-Spacian Grand Mole”_ would return _“Power Annihilator”_ to Zure’s hand, then the effect of _“Power Annihilator”_ would activate next, but it would fizzle because _“Power Annihilator”_ is no longer on the field. _“Power Bombard”_ would in turn not witness the ATK of _“Power Annihilator”_ change and would therefore not self-destruct.

• Jaden would then attack _“Power Bombard”_ with his 2100 ATK _“Neo-Spacian Flare Scarab”._ Zure (who has 2000LP) would take 1100 damage from the attack (leaving him with 900LP). Because _“Neo-Spacian Flare Scarab”_ would have 1100 more ATK than _“Power Bombard”_ does, _“Power Spirit”_ would be unable to protect it from battle destruction and _“Power Bombard”_ would be destroyed by the attack of _"Neo-Spacian Flare Scarab"._ Zure would then take 1000 points of effect damage as a result of his Field Spell _“Power Zone”, _ causing his Life Points to drop to 0 and Jaden wins the Duel.

I honestly would have liked it if this is how the duel went in all honesty. It would give the Neo-Spacians their moment to shine and it would show that Jaden doesn't need Neos or the other Elemental HEROs to win major duels.

[Misclickt]

Jaden in English dub: "Send him to the stars!"

Jaden in Japanese dub: *Murder him*

[kawaki]

Duel analysis aside, for how little Brron had screentime, he was the most influential antagonist in GX. He broke Jaden and laughed in his face while he was dying.

[darkphoenix]

16:28 To be fair, Super poly technically didn't existed yet, so he shouldn't be able to scearch it.

[Tabula-Rogeriana]

Fun fact: the reason super polymerisation requires a discard is because Cyrus was never sacrificed, hence why it needs compensation.

[bladersmosh]

Jaden vs Brron is one of my favourite GX duels. Not only is it fun to see Dark Worlds get some anime love but Jaden’s descent into darkness is both fascinating and depressing to see. Yes, he was reckless and got his friends into trouble but he was still trying to protect them and save Jesse. Seeing his closest friends verbally lash out at him is heartbreaking. Not to mention, Jaden finally becoming engulfed in anger for the first time is one of GX’s most iconic moments. Seriously, Kenn (Jaden’s JP VA) is amazing in this duel.

[snowboundwhale]

As far as the "who's in the wrong?" question goes, I think it's an ESH with Jaden being very slightly less in the wrong, only and specifically because he straight up told them all not to follow him and that he could guarantee their safety if they did.

Yes Jaden's got some major tunnel vision going on and it is a problem; it literally kills Freed and jeopardises the camp he was helping, and he leaves his friends who followed him by the wayside without even realising they got kidnapped. His desperate need to get Jesse back is clearly bringing out the worst in him throughout this arc and that culminates in awakening as the Supreme King who's straight up locked away his memories of all his friends so he can't be hurt by their loss anymore (not to mention the mass execution of duelists). Jaden's distinctly not "in the right" this entire time, but that doesn't mean the others cannot also be in the wrong.

His friend group are frankly bad friends. They get along with him well enough and do seem to genuinely like him, but none of them really _get_ him, which is why he got so attached to Jesse so quickly as they do get each other. Worse is they repeatedly over rely on Jaden's skills as a duellist throughout the entirety of GX, which places the burdens on him he's shown struggling with in early season 3. He has to handle half the shadow riders in season 1 by himself, Chazz and Alexis both manage to take one each but then they all get wiped by Banner, and then Jaden's also stuck staring down 3 pseudo-God Cards in the Sacred Beasts. Syrus is literal dead weight not even getting a spirit key but showing up to shadow duels anyway just to get repeatedly taken hostage, sometimes accompanied by someone else depending on who's available. Season 2 Chazz probably gives the best effort to getting Jaden out of his post-Aster funk. but is literally the first to fall to the Light and Jaden later has to duel that back out of him. Alexis also gets brainwashed, Bastion literally throws for a sense of acceptance, Syrus tries his best with Zane but his best is decidedly mid, and outside of that he spends the entire season bickering with Hassleberry over which one if Jaden's "best friend" which Jaden is visibly uncomfortable with. Other than Hassleberry being "part dinosaur" which let him resist the Light of Destruction and being able to astral project into space along side Neos so they can beat up a mind controlling satellite together, he's mostly just on the sidelines as well. Even Aster fails to handle Sartorius so Jaden has to clutch as the last hope once again against a potentially world ending card game based threat.

And then there's all the troubles they go through in the early half of season 3, nobody in the original friend group is useful during the "bio band arc" except Syrus who clocks it immediately (in the dub at least), except by this point Syrus has such a negative track record that nobody even listens to him, so it's basically all up to the new transfer students (one of whom takes Syrus hostage, again). When Jaden's getting bogged down mentally and feeling lost Jesse's the only one who catches there's something wrong, not his friends of 2 years though only the guy he met maybe a month ago and really vibed with off the bat. In the monster world Chazz fumbles into being a duel zombie which makes everything dramatically worse. The group are repeatedly unhelpful and place a lot of responsibility on Jaden whether intentionally or not because they cannot handle it themselves. They even spend a notable amount of season 4 acting like they're at a loss because Jaden isn't there to help them due to his closing himself away and acting independently a lot more (especially when dealing with supernatural threats, wonder why /s).

And then it comes out that everything's been orcastrated by Yubel this entire season which immediately sets Jaden spiralling because "this is all my fault", and Jesse is the only one actually able to support him. Jesse even sacrifices himself to get everyone else back to their world, which sets up Jaden going back to find him in this arc, because how could he not? It's "his fault" any of this happened, and now that Jesse's stuck in that world, how could he not notice? Jesse was the most supportive friend Jaden's had all GX, and now he's lost him he's really feeling that absence, all on top of the guilt from feeling responsible for it due to his connection to Yubel. So naturally Jaden _needs_ to get him back, and this time it really is his own sense of responsibility telling him to do so, not one placed on him.
When his friends go to follow him he argues against it, tells them not to come, that he doesn't know what'll happen and that he cannot promise to keep them safe, but they insist anyway. They mean well, but given their previous showings it'd be no wonder why Jaden wouldn't fully trust them to be able to look after themselves. Then they go through the portal and hey, guess what they don't look after themselves! Nobody except Jaden duels at all because Jaden learns "if you lose, you die" and after the last 2.5 years he's seen them all lose too many times at important moments to risk that, so now Jaden's duelling for everyone (largely offscreen)and he's getting tired while they all feel rather put out and have nothing to do exemplifying how they're dead weight on this trip. Jaden's getting impatient and tunnel visioned and the fatigue only adds to that but his friends don't really try to help besides telling him to slow down (almost helpful advice given unhelpfully) and acting all huffy about the fact he isn't paying much attention to them (completely unhelpful). And _then_ they get captured, magically branded, and most of them are sacrificed to Super Poly ion front of him while they basically curse him out in their final breaths. Even though Jaden tried his best in that duel to keep them safe the danger was sown before it had even started, and while we can argue he should have been more attentive to them to have never gotten into that situation, they frankly didn't need to be here at all. If they weren't there for Jaden to lose them while they shout at him about how he's such a bad friend idk if he'd even have become the Supreme King since he was clearly mentally compromised by their loss which is what allowed Bronn's comment about Jesse being dead to send him over the edge. And then Syrus is the nail in the coffin after the duel ends, despite only clutching once ever in the season 1 tag duel and all the times his presence as a hostage made everything worse, he chews Jaden out and leaves him.

*TL;DR: Jaden is selfish and greedy for trying to take everything on by himself and neglecting his friends as a result, BUT his friends are at least as selfish as he is for forcing their "help" upon him despite not being helpful, their constant lack of consideration for his state of mind, as well as for all the previous times they've forced him to clutch up and take on all the responsibility in the past; The latter of which is likely a part of the reason Jaden feels such a strong need to handle getting Jesse back himself now, as whether they meant to or not he's been essentially trained by everyone around him at Duel Academy the past 2 years to "be the guy" who handles everything and puts things right in the end.*

[ConnorTheOne_]

13:30 About the Zure Question:

I keep seeing people say Jaiden NEEDS a draw card like Pot of Greed, Bubbleman, Convert Contact, etc. Not only is that a cop out, but demonstrably untrue.

You see, there is a card Jaiden could top deck for victory. Four in fact. Those being any of his remaining Neo Spacians, except Glow Moss

As a general rule, I limited myself to only cards we know Jaiden had in his deck at this point (so no like Sabatiel or Super Poly). Furthermore, Yugipedia shows the specific decks certain characters use at different points, so I also limited myself to only cards Jaiden was shown to have in his deck during the Dark World arc. Also as stated before, no draw cards.

Within all these margins, there is a way for victory.

If Jaiden drew Neo Spacian Air Hummingbird, Aqua Dolphin, or Dark Panther, he could win guaranteed, that turn. You see, Common Soul actually lets you target any face up monster on the field and special summon the neo spacian in your hand to the field of the targeted monster. So, by targeting, say, Bombard, and summoning, for this example, the Aqua Dolphin Jaiden “just drew” to Zure’s field, Jaiden now has a non-Power Annihilator attack target. See, Ring of Fiendish Power states “Your opponent can only attack the face-up Fiend-Type monster you control with the highest original ATK.” This is VERY different than if it said “Your opponent cannot target monsters you control for attacks, except the fiend monster you control with the highest ATK.” Essentially, RoFP only prohibits Jaiden from attacking fiend monsters Zure controls with ATK lower than Power Annihilator’s. However, Aqua Dolphin is Warrior type, meaning it’s free to attack. So Jaiden can summon Flare Scarab who’d get 2100 ATK off the 4 spells/traps Zure has. Then he can just attack Aqua Dolphin with Flare Scarab, deal 1500 dmg, it’s destroyed, and since Zure controlled it, he takes Aqua Dolphins 600 original ATK in dmg due to Power Zone.

You may be wondering about Grand Mole. If Jaiden summoned Flare Scarab and then Common Souled it to summon Grand Mole, Flare Scarab would have 3000 ATK. Move to battle phase. Attack Annihilator with Grand Mole. Due to the order in which effects resolve, PA’s mandatory effect activates first, then GM’s optional effect. Thus they resolve in reverse order, so Grand Mole would boot both itself and Annihilator back to the hand BEFORE Annihilator can resolve its effect, so Bombard wouldn’t trigger, as Annihilators effect will fizzle. With both grand mole and power Annihilator booted, Jaiden can now swing the 3000 ATK Flame Scarab into the 1000 ATK Power Bombard for game, not even needing Power Zone’s burn damage.

Also for Glow Moss, he could common soul Bombard and summon Glow Moss to Zure’s field, and attack it with Flare Scarab but its effect will make it a gamble on whether he wins or not.

[legend]

I love the complete tone shift the series takes.

We go from "Haha! I'm hanging out with my crew in the schoolyard!" to "My friends are all dead and I killed them. As a child I had to have my memories essentially erased because I could hear the pained screaming of my best friend burning alive in the light and I was the one who sent them there because they killed everyone that wronged me. I have to be time warped just so I can remember to have fun again and overcome my PTSD from having to constantly duel with my life, my friend's lives, and the universe hanging in the balance."

[kingslypierre]

Personally for ne, i think its 45% Jaden's fault, 55% his friends fault. Lemme explain (prepare for a potentially long explanation)
- Jaden was being too near sighted in his desire to save Jessie, to the point of literal potential suicide. Yes i think he should have tried to trust and lean on his friends, but ill get to them right now.
- Jaden's friends, simply put, are dead weight. They have proven, time and time and time again that they SIMPLY cannot be trusted to clutch up when things go bad. Seasons 1, 2 and 4 prove this. If i was Jaden, id want to handle things on my own too, because unless your name Zane, Aster or even Jesse, you're not accomplishing anything.

Tl;dr, Jaden had tunnel vision but his friends didnt have the means to support him anyway.

[jamieholmes]

“There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.”

From The Wise Man’s Fear, but better known from TGS Anime 😃😃😃

[giovanniorellana]

Oh and whoever loses the duel, gets sent to the stars, I mean dies!

[SowaraAkther]

When I saw my favourite protagonist go dark and become the Supreme King, I was terrified of what was going to happen and well I was right. The Supreme King was a merciless, tyrannical overlord who showed no mercy to anyone. But above all else, he was a fantastic duelist and his duels are the ones I remember the most. Jaden had to live with the burden of all the problems he did as the Supreme King and all the pain and guilt the Supreme King did not feel.


GX got way too dark in the end and I love it.

[mikegalbraith]

I always love when Duelists snap and go full-on overkill. Super epic! (Albeit dark, which in turn makes it so much better.)

[osblarg]

The funny thing about Battle of Sleeping Spirits is that the anime version doesn't have the part that doubles Neos' ATK. They added that part to the real world version exclusively to simulate the circumstances of this duel, so in the case the opponent can summon something, as long as it has 2500 ATK like Reign-Beaux, it'll be the same as if Neos attacks directly.

[tyquil]

13:45 I mean he does run a pot of greed right? So it’s really what 2 card combo could he have used to win

[JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

I always felt it was odd that Jaden was basically punished for actually attacking his opponent, like what was he supposed to do, let himself lose? I always thought it would have been better if Jaden was punished if he took damage and he lost his friends because of that. That way he would have turned into the Supreme King because he was overconfident in his skills as a duelist and was punished for it.

[amienabled]

I swear every gx villian from season 2 onwards just floodgated the crap out of jaden 😭

[brocautry]

I'd have say that both Jaden and all of his friends were equally wrong to a degree. No Jaden didn't listen to them and was very reckless, but at the same time none of his friends actually judged the situation correctly. Jaden wasn't so focused on saving Jesse because he didn't care about anyone or anything else, he was so focused on saving him because he blamed himself for everything that had happened to all of them throughout the year. Viper came to duel academy and put students into comas because Yubel told him to find Jaden. Yubel transported the school and everyone in it to the desert world because they wanted to get rid of Jaden's friends. Jesse wouldn't have been stranded in an alternate dimension and forced to stay behind in the first place if it wasn't for Jaden. Jaden was on the verge of a mental breakdown well before the duel with Brron even started, and yet none of his friends actually noticed that. They just assumed he was hyper focused on Jesse and so they didn't give him the help he actually needed at all. He didn't need back-up or protection. What he needed was for at least one of them to let him know that it wasn't his fault, that he hadn't doomed them all by simply existing. Instead we got what ended up happening, Jaden getting pushed away by the only people he had left and sinking even further into his already broken state.