What About the Rapture? Evaluating Dispensationalism and the Pre-Tribulation Rapture

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[NorthAvenueChurch]

For the rest of our series on Revelation and eschatology, see here:

[peterc]

These guys are right on. I've been preaching this for decades. Finally somebody is really reading the scriptures. "AFTER" PERIOD!!!! Many will have a rude awaking when the Great Tribulation starts, they'll think they aren't saved but they will be if they opened their hearts to Jesus.

[WaimakBibleChapel]

Thank you so much your videos on this topic they have cleared up this issue for us. As a previously pretrib church this has been a difficult transition. But the scripture must come first Truth is Truth😀

[johnharrington]

The Apostle Paul is THE APOSTLE of the mainly Gentile body of Christ in this dispensational age of the Grace of God, and the thoughts of men’s hearts WILL be judged by Jesus Christ according to his Gospel, he was Pre- Tribulational and Dispensational and we are to follow him AS he follows Christ ! John

[revelationminister]

I believe what is taught in regard to the rapture can be a salvation issue. I feel that pre trib may not be preparing people for the worst case scenario and may cost many their salvation. Blood would be on the hands of many teaching.

[stevebowen]

Here is something to think about, yes Jesus could come back secretly, because Jesus will come like a thife in the night, a thife don't tell you when he is coming, only the Father knows when this will happen, and just think about this we will all know when Jesus will return, he will come right after the tribulation ends with out delay, and we know that the tribulation will last seven years, and we will know that we're in the tribulation when it's on us, so I'm leaning to pretrial rapture.

[ronniewright]

I'm enjoying all of these videos and learning a lot! Is North Avenue Church a Baptist Church? Just curious. God Bless and keep up the great work for Christ!

[bdson]

Be honest there is a lot of things that are in the scripture that no one saw coming until after it happen.

[ejeangilles]

Pre trib, mid trib, and post trib are all true and its in scripture. That's why many argue and can each prove it with scripture. Its not just one. Its God's harvest model throughout the whole bible and its revealed in the gospels. That's why all 3 gospels speak of the same story but different. They are speaking to 3 different groups of people. Luke is to the bride of Christ that goes pre trib. Mark is to left behind church that goes mid trib. Matthew is to the jews and they are post trib. Ex. In Mark and Matthew before Jesus dies on the cross he says "My God, My God why have you forsaken me" but in Luke he says "Father into your hands I commend my Spirit. In Mark and Matthew Jesus is given a purple and scarlet robe when going to the cross. In Luke he's given a gorgeous bright robe. In revelation during the tribulation you see purple and scarlet being referenced (no mention of that gorgeous bright color). In Mark and Matthew Jesus says "no man knows the day and hour" but in Luke he says watch and pray that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things. Clearly he's saying different things for different reasons. God doesn't take everyone all at once. Like a harvest field you take the first 10% first. Then its the 90%, then last its the corners and gleanings. its laid out in Leviticus and Deuteronomy and other scriptures. There's so many other scriptures I can't write them all here.

[TommyEllis-pc]

Jesus said. All the father gives me I will not lose any but will raise (resurrect) them (all the father gives me) up on the “LAST DAY”. The elect from Adam till the last believer born in the millennial reign has to be included. No man comes to the father except through Jesus. There’s only one resurrection of believers. Those believers in the millennial reign that remain when Satan is loosed for a little season and the wicked are destroyed have to be transformed. They can’t live forever in a human form. This seems to coincide with the apostle Paul’s teaching in Thessalonians. No matter your view you’re going to have to deal with the verses with the verses with Jesus stating 3 times in John 6 and will raise them up on the “ LAST DAY”.

[breadoflife]

The parable about the 10 virgins is not about the Bride of Christ. They are bridesmaids. The Bride has already been married to Jesus. (Luke 12:36)

[guitarandotherthings]

Why does the when matter? It'll happen when it happens and no one knows when. We're too busy arguing instead of hastening His return by witnessing.

[steveteele]

Wrong. The church ie Jew and Gentile Ephesians. We are not part of Israel. The 70th week of Daniel is directed to Israel, not the church.

[steveteele]

You need to take into reference Daniel 9:27 and the 490 Years that are given to Israel. The 70th week of Daniel is the 7 years of tribulation or the dealings with Specifically Israel not the church.all of the Old Testament passages concerning The new covenant deals with Israel, read the context! That covenant is given to Israel at the end of Jacobs trouble and then Christ comes back to earth with the church to rule and reign in the millennium on the throne of David.
Nowhere is the church found in the tribulation!! 1 Thessalonians 5:9 says
God has not appointed us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. Revelation 3:10, kept from the hour of temptation,
I believe only the pre tribulation rapture can be the only doctrine for the church if you have the doctrine of the eminent return in view.

[SpotterVideo]

What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine?

Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
(The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible.

The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.

The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below.

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Watch the YouTube video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626.



What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word.

Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.

What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.

New Covenant Whole Gospel:

Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.

Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)

We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Watch the YouTube videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.

[steveteele]

What is your view of the church and Israel? If you blend the church and Israel you have a problem with eschatology.

[soulosxpiotov]

Since the 7 year trib is God's wrath, we're appointed for God's wrath during this time?

[steveteele]

Prairie Bible Institute taught the pre tribulation rapture before the Schofield Bible.

[roland]

Matthew 24 Luke 21 mark 13 gives the order of events and rev 6 and 7 . Why would Jesus tell us things that wouldn't happen the way he said ? He wouldn't

[tinareinbergen]

1 Tessalonicenzen 1 vers 9, 10
Want zelf verhalen zij van ons, hoe wij bij u ontvangen zijn en hoe gij u van de afgoden tot God bekeerd hebt, om de Levende God te dienen, en uit de hemelen Zijn Zoon te verwachten die Hij uit de doden opgewekt heeft, Jezus die ons VERLOST VAN DE KOMENDE TOORN.