Ableton Push 3: Where's the Beats?

Still on the fence about the Ableton Push 3. Whats your Thoughts?
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00:00 - Intro
00:36 - Promo: Analog Cases | zZounds
02:58 - Push 3: Where’s the Beats??

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[MrIAMLEGENDstudios]

Ableton Push is not, and has not been and never will be a "MPC" competitor. Push is a companion "Dj" beat machine thats demographic was Dance/EDM Dj's. The "beats" that are produce are suppose to be done during "live" EDM/Dance Dj performances!
It's the main reasoning behind so many pads. At the time of its creation the Dj mixer didn't have enough pads/knobs and memory space to perform all the functions those Djs needed for those 4/5 hour sets. So the idea of the Push machine was created!
Abelton is making slight pivots to accommodate for the MPC space, but the Push still keeps the "live" Dj set build which makes it unappealing to a MPC crowd

[iamjtroy]

I grew up an MPC head. Started on a 3000 and never looked back. Until I stumbled across Ableton Live and the Push 2. I never had intentions of using the Push 2 for live performance, but using it felt like a forward-focused MPC of sorts. So I went all in. I have my MPC X now and love rocking out with it too. But the Push 2 made beats fun again. So with the Push 3 dropping, it gives me that "MPC" feel of being able to rock out away from the computer, but ustilizing more modern production tools. When mine gets here in 6 weeks, lol... I'll post some "hard" beats you looking for. But the power of the Push 2 & 3 is in the software. Always will be. But don't think that that Push 3 won't KNOCK in standalone. It'll just be a slightly different approach than your average MPC user.

[FM-csrn]

I feel like there’s a lack of understanding of beat making if you feel like you can’t make 90s rnb and hip hop without an MPC…You can do pretty much all the essentials of an MPC on a Push. Just because your idols used an MPC doesn’t mean that’s all they used or that the MPC carries the weight of every track. I took Timbaland’s masterclass and he basically uses a bunch of one shots not even organized like a typical drum kit. All the sounds are just there on pads and he’ll just hit them as if he’s beatboxing with his fingers. His main instrument is his mind and mouth. He just makes random noises and creates a groove and find the appropriate sounds to fill in that idea he created. His team use an MPC, Ableton and Logic. In the past he even used other samplers. So there’s a huge misunderstanding when you say “where’s the beats?”. I see Push as being a performance instrument as well as extension of Ableton. You plug it in any everything is premapped and you don’t need to go in and do any setting up. You also get additional visuals for the devices you’re working with which can be extremely useful. I believe other DAWs like Pro-Tools have their own hardware gear which works in similar fashion. That kind of gives Ableton this premium feel. I see some using the Push with Bitwig so it’s not necessarily exclusive. Akai has a long long long history of pumping out gear and then totally abandoning support for it within a short amount of time. I cannot justify getting back into the Akai ecosystem without them upping their game in terms of product longevity and customer support. That said if you’re into the Akai ecosystem but also like Ableton they have the Akai Force which is like a MPC/Push hybrid.

I mean you also had Arca who made those mixtapes which had 90s RnB & Hip Hop and then some. She used Ableton. Kanye worked with her. Her workflow is incredible, being able to just throw samples in arrangement view and pump out a hard hitting beat. She works so fast that I feel like doing all that on an MPC would be so slow.

[Cartman-Official]

They never made the beats because Ableton users like to sip Tea for hours to get inspiration

[joegrant]

Form factor and muscle memory. Two things a lot of folks overlook that make a big deal on how and where and what you use to make music.

[jackspde]

It just came out lol Its going to take some time. But in general I don't feel like Ableton even has as many hip hop beatmakers as MPC or Maschine. Seems like EDM people be on it a lot in the reviews. BTW I went from software to trying out an MPC. But I'm still loving using Ableton as a DAW the most out of everything. Im still cool using my Push 2 for now. The Push 3 don't even have an arranger so yes still have to finish in Ableton. Mannn I have an MPC Live 2 and Maschine Plus. And I'm trying out the MPC Key right now. I'm so good.

[farley]

No. It's not going to pull people away from the computer for good. Not yet. Your point is valid. Everyone interested in working standalone already has an MPC and it's probably more suited to carry around anyway. What it does though, is to allow you to start your idea outside of the computer with massive array of Ableton's stock stuff, then seamlessly transfer it to the computer, build the final track there, and then design and test a live show in the computer, transfer it back to the Push, unhook it and drive to the venue to perform it without the computer. It's the idea starter and idea finisher, essentially. The computer is still a part of the process. And it will be as VSTs are not portable to Linux. But man does it excels in that first and last part of the workflow. I've got the first unit that arrived into Czech Republic and I'm absolutely in love with that thing so far. I've popped up so many new ideas thanks to it. And I have a liveshow setup pretty much settled right now. This controller won't fit everybody, but man did it fit me. <3

[SCMESD]

You are absolutely right. That is why I don't like the Maschine Plus. If you want the bass vsts, you will have to move your Maschine Plus project over to the Maschine Software. You

[landonh]

Its funny to read people saying that Ableton is not an MPC competitor when the Ableton Session mode was made to be a better version of the MPC's arranger. You can easily use Session mode if you have arranged a track on an MPC. Live is for Live performance, or Live arranging, just like pad mutes are done on an MPC. It takes very little to adjust but branding really gets into people's DNA sometimes.

[enbo]

Ableton user here. I own the Push 2 and TBH I’m not compelled to get Push 3. It doesn’t support 3rd party plug ins. No arrangement mode. MPE is dope but not worth $1k price tag IMO. Ableton is not geared towards Trap and Hip hop so u gotta import your own drum samples cause the stock drum kits ain’t it. If they add 3rd party plug ins and arrangement mode I would seriously consider coping one. 🔥HOT TAKE🔥 Apple should make a MIDI controller for Logic Pro j/s they already have CPU technology that fits in small devices 🤓

[chrisliddiard]

If you are looking for an MPC killer then try the Maschine Plus, which has a song or arrangement view and can now handle vocals from start to end.

The Push can match it for building beats or loops on the go for 2 hours, . You can trigger those loops in a performance setup, or go back to a computer for its arrangement view. Im sure some version of the arrangement view will come to the push, in time, but its not there yet.

Personally im planning to move my Maschine stockpile to the Push standalone.

[AKAIMPCJUNKIE-grfm]

The push three controller in combination with the Ableton software is 10 times better than the push three standalone by itself, end of story.

[George-nxzu]

Most people don't have a Push 3 yet, they're on backorder and mine doesn't come for a few weeks. Do we really have to make this an MPC vs Ableton Push thing though guys? Push 3 has MIDI In and MIDI Out- meaning MPCs can talk to Push and Push can input to MPC and you can have whatever workflow you want if you're more comfortable making songs on Push or on MPC. I think the Push 3 is a really cool feat of engineering, I love that you can replace the battery and processor as technology improves over time and I love the idea of polyphonic expression stuff (bending and gliding on pads) for making strings and horns sound realistic. Like everyone can have two guitars and four keyboards in the background but when it comes to Push and MPC its an either / or thing for some reason. Forget the idea that this is some kind of MPC replacement, its got MIDI In and MIDI Out it can be whatever you want it to be including an MPC companion.

[Nightmareup]

I use both ableton with a launch pad pro and an mpc one. I CANNOT give up mpc for drums, but ableton is better literally everywhere else. Could warp up a sample then chop it in the MPC, and the push is pretty much instantly the most powerful mpe sound module on the market.

[TheCliffzone]

Push 3 I just ordered mine and can't wait to try that bad boy out. The pictures of Push 3 itself, looks like something of an optical illusion especially how the pads are designed and how they look. Sort of teases your brain a little. Aside from that I'm looking forward to push 3 and what you can do.

[djabbico]

Bro you’re literally killin it on your channel. Just wanted to say that. Keep up the good work!!!

[txbrown_]

I think it's due to distribution vs production and timing. They probably doing it on demand with small batches.
Also it's so early days and not a cheap machine. So people will take time to get on board. This is a device designed to last 12+ years lifecyle most likely. Push 2 was and still is supported for the last 8y. That's Ableton's engineering philosophy.

[Soundboy]

IMO it doesn’t necessarily matter what you use to make music so long as your creativity stands out..the difference between different daws and standalones etc is simply the process

[dunstonmike]

The Ableton push 3 is their 3rd model of the product. It’s Ableton’s first standalone product. Akai MPC has been out for over 25 years with many many different models. Please give the Push 3 a chance. Ableton will be a strong competitor in time

[Oktoberst]

a lot of this is subjective to the mpc standalone is great but Ableton as a daw is light years ahead of MPC software so you can see why a person would want to finish songs in it. Both machines (push 3 & mpc) have similar limitations, you might get better I/O and depending on who you ask better converters on the MPC meanwhile push gives you twice the ram as the most expensive MPC, a much faster processor that's upgradeable, and a much faster hard drive option (NVME m.2) that offers disk streaming, large realistic instrument packs from the same big companies that make well known Kontakt Libraries and VST's, as many audio tracks as the i3 processor can handle and the sampling and time stretching is the best in the business. Lot of main stream producers are catching on to the mpc as of late which is great for Akai for delivering with such a small staff, either way the germans have entered the chat and this is just the beginning, once the updates start dropping I can see everyone trying to get one and the only thing standing in their way would be the price tag.