NOKTON vs SIMERA - Voigtländer or Thypoch 28mm?

Shortly after Thypoch came out with the Simera 28mm 1.4 ASPH lens, Voigtländer released a Nokton 28mm 1.5 ASPH. Naturally we were all curious how these two lenses compare. So, let's do that in this video :-)
Which one you like better?

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[雷裕庭]

Hello, I am a Chinese viewer. I think the biggest problem with some Chinese M-mount lenses is their pricing strategy. Voigtlander's lenses will generally gradually drop below their recommended selling price, but Chinese brands will strictly control the ex-factory price. At the same time, since most of the M-mount lenses made in China are made by "enthusiasts" with crowdfunding, I think the reliability and quality control may be a little weak. Anyway, I am still very happy to see Chinese products or brands on YouTube. I hope they will do better and better in the future.

[HayaoHuang]

This is the comparison I’ve been waiting for.I think Thypoch is good choice.

[MarcSR]

just what i wanted to see, personally i like the rendering of the Typoch more

[ye_liyan]

Very helpful video! I prefer the look on Thypoch, and I hope they can fix the focus scale on their production units.

[laubblaeser_]

tl;dr: To me the difference is so minimal that you could just pick the cheaper one.

From my personal point of view, the Voigtländer also has some annoying CA with the purple fringes but I prefer that it maintains a little bit more detail in the out-of-focus areas. The Thypoch one is a lot smoother there in comparison but I also feel that it has the better sharpness in the in-focus areas. The slightly higher compactness of the Voigtländer on the other hand might be preferred by others but for me (someone using solely Minolta AF lenses on a modern Sony) it wouldn't be *that* important. The difference is minor and given that the Voigtländer costs more than one thousand €, I'd be inclined to pick the Thypoch if I was searching for a new 28mm lens.

[TK-]

I posted a (pre)fire ode to the CV, but the Thypoch is actually very good - especially if you look at the CA.
Not a fan of the Thypoch “gimmick” distance scale, but it is a very good lens. The CV has the sexy bragging rights, but sometimes it is the other girl that surprises you!

[hackmandavid]

Love your video comparison. Would purple fringing be a big issue ? I am leaning more on the Voigtlander.

[Rickky]

The was an amazing video and informative. The 28s I’ve been looking at!

[nickthaskater]

13:46 are the scale holes an egress into the lens for dirt/water, or are they superficial?

[CCLui-kv]

Bought the Thypoch 28mm 1.4 after your love the lens on the Nikon ZF.... super sharp and smooth pictures all the wy to the edges, ... thank you Sam.

[uttuslien]

“Moneyshot. Not much of a smile, but it will do.” 😂

[sebastianloh]

Used the Thypoch 28mm on Leica M11 for a bunch of photos yesterday (close-up cherry blossoms and so on), so I am reporting what I noticed.
Let me say that I love the 'retro' design of the Simera, the lens hood and the dual-click design. Mine is a black Simera on a black leica M11-P.
1) The red dots are not easy to see at night and in shadow. (red dots on black body. Perhaps silver body maybe better?)
2) No sun star? (unlike Voigtlander lenses) -- perhaps it is just very difficult to get sunstar and not impossible??
3) Simera overfocuses on maximum infinity!!
The last one really irks me: I have heard from Lintaro's episodes that the focus distance scale on his Simera was bad (when he adapted the lens, last episode). In this episode, he tried a better ($$$) adapter that seemed to have corrected the infinity focus. (Lucky you, Samuel!)
On the Leica M, I found the sharpest infinity focus to be at "just before infinity" -- meaning I have to dial back the lens from infinity.

BUT there's a problem: Simera has an infinity lock pin! I can't turn the lens to infinity and then dial it back a bit like other (voigtlander) lenses because once the Simera reaches infinity, it will lock up! I must then push on the pin to unlock the lens if I want to dial back on the focus. Upon comparison with photos shot at infinity and "just before infinity", the photos at infinity is softer. This may explain why MrLeica reported that the Voigtlander 28mm f1.5 Nokton and f2 Ultron are both sharper than the Simera 28mm (at infinity). I reckon if he dialed the Simera back a little, the sharpness at just-before-infinity would be better.

I just ordered a used VC 28mm f1.5 Nokton -- arriving tomorrow. The used VC 28mm is $799, just $100 more than the Simera -- making the gap between the two lenses negligible. Yes, there will be stronger CAs in the VC (will need LR correction) but at least I will get back the sun stars. I will report back and let you know if the VC focused sharpest at infinity (as expected), or just before infinity like the Simera.

[HenleyBailey]

Thanks for this. I picked up the Voigtlander but knew of the Thypoch and wasn't sure if I'd made the right choice. I'm still not but at least I know it's neck and neck. I like the look of the Thypoch wide open, those extra aperture blades make a difference but the Voigtlander isn't far off and I do like the handling of it...

[daveguy]

Just received the Thypoch. Very impressed. Using on my Leica M10 Monochrom and SL2. The build quality and rendering are excellent.

[markkrell]

14:04 Regarding micro contrast, Voigtlander is noticeably better, isn‘t it?

[ka_sh_iif]

Thanks for this one, this is the comparison I’ve been waiting for.

[gurugamer]

Do you recommend Voigtlander 28mm f1.5 VM Nokton ASPH Type II or Leica Summicron-M 28 f/2 ASPH ? Which one would you buy for MP / M11

[laurentgagne]

does the infinity stop match the nikon with the simera?

[artemkanaki]

The difference between the lenses is so minuscule that it’s hard to decide which one is better.
I think voigtländer will release z mount version later on, and that will be deciding factor for me

[jsprite]

The Voigt is definitely sharper and more constrasty on your sample fotos.