Was Marika justified after Shaman Village? #eldenring

Do you side with Marika after Shadow of the Erdtree? Don't forget what she did. The Elden Ring DLC and Shaman Village doesn't justify it. #shadowoftheerdtree

[ProfNormie]

Marika ordered a purge, and Messmer burned everything in the Lands of Shadow, but left the Shaman Village alone, he truly loved his mother

[NWolfsson]

The DLC also shows what it means to become a God. Supposedly Marika had to do the same sacrifices as Miquella did, but sometime between the Carian war and the Shattering, a sliver of her humanity came back, and she realized what she became, starting her ploy to break the Ring and usher in a new Age.

[giacomoromano]

Goldmask is right, these Gods are no better than men, and their fickle will bring ruins wherever they go.

[abefizzy]

"more feet?" fucking KILLED me

[ajax]

I think Leda said it best.

"They weren't saints, they just happened to be on the losing side of a war."

[AlexGordonMusic]

I thought the divine tower was made from the bodies of the hornsent…. A bunch of the bodies have horns

[zoeadkins]

She'd be more than justified in armed rebellion and waging war on the Tower.
But cursing an entire people to a perpetual Hell of genocide and oppression is no better, even arguably worse, than the persecution, torturing, and butchering of the Shamans by the Hornsent.
The only scenario in which this would be justifiable would be if every, single Hornsent - across all time - is the exact same evil being.
Not to mention all she'd done afterwards, including abandoning her own son, Messmer.
Power corrupts and she was given it to a scale beyond imagining.
This is even paralleled and repeated through Miquella's journey in the Shadow Realm. Giving up his love and conscious to bring about yet another tyrannical reign.
It's truly tragic because the Minor Erdtree in the Shaman Village proves the good she was/is capable of.
But with places like the war-scorched Shadow Realm, the graveyard of skewered Giants at the Flame Peak, the Shunning Grounds, and the horrors locked away behind the Cathedral of the Forsaken, amongst so many others, it's hard to see Marika as anything less than a monster.
The only question is the degree in which the Greater Will and/or the Two Fingers controlled or influenced her in the beginning.




All that said, F E E T

[treefiddyman]

History repeats itself as she did similar things to the Omens

[nathanemerickainsworth]

An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind

[YoshioSan]

I feel like Marika had no agency. Overwhelmed by her wish for revenge or perhaps to protect whatever might have been left of the shaman, the greater will/fingers used her.

[SaberXrod]

It could also have been a plot by the two fingers to break her, in order to make it easier to influence her decisions.

[axemiprozam]

One thing I didn't like about the DLC is the little or technically no interaction with the base content, there are no new dialogues with Melina or other characters, as if what happens in the DLC stays there.

[ciaranpatrick]

There’s no defending what the hornsent did. However as you said genocide is never ever justified. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[Farron]

The Two Fingers wishing for a New God to spread their order since the fall of Placcidusax Regime saw an oppertunity with Marika.

“Become God of a New Age, become the Vessel and you shall have everything you desire”

“I want a world without Death”

“You will have the power, it shall be done”

With the murder of Godwyn the Golden, her only child born perfect, no curse, no affliction, the promise was broken and so in her grief, the Elden Ring was broken in return.

[cinnamontoastdonk]

"...hate leads to suffering.."

[sho]

It's just crazy to me that Marika went through all of this trauma, her people being slaughtered, so she ascends to godhood and wages war on basically everyone for revenge, and even though she gained an incredible amount of power, some random ass tarnished appears out of nowhere, kicks her entire family's ass, and becomes Elden Lord, "just because" 😂

[deathsmile]

" If genocide don't work that mean you didnt genocide enough " - Marika, probably

[ITBEurgava]

Justified? Debatable.
In the end, she didn't make anything better. Lands Between is the proof.

[APenguinsLullaby]

"the protective love of a mother" say that to the abandoned son Messmer and her two sons locked underground for having horns. Or should we bring up that she told her children if they didnt succeed in their goals they might as well be dead. Marika is a story of bitterness, one that was hurt and so hurts others.

[Asgaardiangatekeeper]

The Hornsent were all about that "Jar" business, until Marika turned up the heat in the kitchen. They still are all about it. Marika was 100% justified. If she didnt do what she did, the hornsent would still be running around, and sticking everyone in Jars, torturing people, and experimenting with grafting and new forms of slaughter.