Why Judo Newaza and BJJ Look So Different

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[johnbwill]

Some interesting points/thoughts here - but what I love the most, is just the wonderful interaction between two high-level practitioners of the different styles. Heartwarming. Wholesome.

[ahfmobile]

Great video as usual. You only touch briefly on the dynamic and visual aspects of "modern" Judo. We all know Jujitsu is equally technically demanding, but as a spectator event Judo is streets ahead.

[keropnw]

In Judo for the people who focus newaza it's a good mindset to have for self defense I think, high energy and lock in a submission as fast as possible, you don't really want to hang out on the ground all day and 'survive' in a real fight.

[CervusGreen]

Very timely for me. I am teaching this contrast to a bjj club tomorrow.

[Omidion]

What camera are you using to record ? The picture is so clean and crisp.

[gmkgoat]

"How do you throw someone that's already on the ground?" Aleksandr Karelin found a way.

[RReppond]

A breakdown of Tsunoda’s newaza transitions and overall game would be 🔥

[dandalee]

Your videos are really fire lately! 🔥
One thing I'd love to see is to let the camera keep recording after the topic is "over". It's really interesting to hear you guys talk (and Sensei Shintaro usually says something hilarious).

[MarcSolomonScheimann]

Fantastic video. I love how you are bringing Both worlds together, and showing how jujitsu and Judo can coexist, for the benefit of both

[DarkBearDojo]

Excellent video, always enjoy them! Also worth noting passing the guard in bjj is 3 points (at least in IBJJF rules)

[grasslandgraphics]

When I started to watch more Judo, I realized that the newaza scrambles were usually either going to stall out in the turtle position or were going to be extremely frantic and explosive, and if there was a submission it was sometimes done in a really fast and brutal way. It's interesting to see what happens on the ground under the those rules, and how most modern Brazilian Jiu Jitsu rules create a much different kind of match.

[MoonScythe]

Looking forward to your seminar at Inverted Gear next month! Love your videos.

[FredThomas-xv]

In judo the turtle position is a classic offensive position while you're creating or waiting for the jujitsu hook under armpit: you then hold the arm tight under your own armpit and roll over to ura kesa gatame. it's a classic attack you learn as beginner. so you if you're on top and want to grab the turtle man lapel you have to keep your hand high and closer to the lower ribs of the turtle man and far from his armpit so he cannot control your distant arm easily; your objective is only to control the lapel versus hook in jujitsu. Another difference is in judo one can ignore (usually because we're rubbish at!) submissions and rely only on osae komi. I think controls are easier than submissions because those are simpler movements. They do require more physical strength and energy but learning them so you can be efficient is all the art of judo. And my experience as judo player is that jujitsu players are weak at pinning simply because they're only interested in submissions so never really practice controls and their escapes like we do in judo using shrimp and bridge movements

[joaquinperucho]

Esto que decís es verdad en judo de competición pero en el gimnasio, al menos en España, cerca de la mitad de los randoris que hacemos son de judo suelo (ne waza); combates de tres minutos, o así, en los que no tienes esa límitación de tiempo para trabajar técnicas de ne waza. De hecho, incluso hay algunas competiciones de ne waza.

[mitchjames]

So tournament rules changed judo’s Newaza, I wonder if judo training wasn’t centred on rules etc.

[holdenmuganda]

4:04 from what remember when I did BJJ. Turnovers from Turtle and reversals from inferior positions don’t score. Only guard sweeps score when going from bottom to top. I think that’s done deliberately so that’s wrestlers and judo guys have to show a guard game and ability to pass the guard to win in BJJ. Just getting takedowns and pins will get stalling called and advancing from dominant to dominant positions is also large a bjj skill.

So the mat work skills a good wrestler and judoka have on the ground likely aren’t enough to win a bjj match.

[suavemente]

One of the bad habits I had to train myself out of so to speak when it came to bjj is turtling

[killersalmon]

The main difference is that ne-waza in Judo is often asymmetric (one guy wants to win on the ground, while the other just wants to survive on the ground), while BJJ groundwork is symmetric (both guys want to win on the ground).

[adamvang]

can we bring the family back together?

[optimusmaximus]

Great video. As much as I lament the short time allowed to get a newaza win, it is excellent training to prepare for the real world. It would be good if the time allotted in a competition were longer but In self-defence situations or a street fight, you DO NOT want to be rolling around on the ground for any length of time trying to submit someone. The longer a fight or struggle goes on, the more it will go against you and the higher the probability of getting seriously hurt when frustration mounts and adrenalin fuelled anger really starts kicking in. Having been involved in a number of street fights myself, I can tell you that the aim is to get it over as quickly as possible before the other guy's mates show up. Training to get a quick but secure win is a vital skill to have. The only obvious downside to having too short time a limit for a newaza win in competition is that it encourages stalling to force a stalemate and restart. Suffice to say, there are no time-outs and restarts in a real fight! But of course, these "real world" considerations sadly mean mothing in a sporting context. As they say, the rule set determines how you train so ultimately you end up fighting like you train.