Why The 'Not All Men' Argument Is Stupid

Yesterday, several screenshots were leaked of a private Instagram group called 'bois locker room'.

In it were images and lewd commentary on various school girls, the extent of which is quite disturbing. They even talk of rape. This was a group of over 100 members, most of them school going students in Delhi and thus, under the age of 18 themselves.

As the details came into light, the post quickly went viral. The police have now been involved and the due process of law is underway.

However, everytime such a scandal breaks, one response is almost always seen.

I want to address that.

It's called 'Not All Men'

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[capybararctic]

Person 1: Books are boring
Person 2: Not all books are boring

Not all men is cancelling out a generalisation that if you're a man then you're a rapist.

[diegorosario]

There is a fine line calling out men for being misogynistic towards women normaling the "men are trash" phrase like it's not sexist in anyway. This is how a trend starts my dude. You don't fight sexism by going the complete opposite way. It's always important to be transparent with topics like this, and if you really think it's not all men, then fucking say it and stop using generalizations.

Lmao, you couldn't even make the mobie analogy without using the phrase "*this* movie sucks" instead of saying "movies suck" because using that specific phrase made a lot more sense to be calling out anyone that'd get upset over it.

Take the two seconds out of your precious time to say "this man" and shut down the sexism before it actually starts. Thank you.

[soapycloudie]

Hmmm, "Hey, this movie is awful" then a response "not all movies are awful". Like, doesn't make sense because the "not-all-men" argument is ofcourse and common sense, is for the people who say "all men". And who person will get offended by "Hey, this man is awful" then saying "not all men is awful".

the "not-all-men" argument came from women who literally means "all men(insert 'trash', 'pigs', etc.) The analogy you say, "not all men have periods". Ugh, common sense, well of course the argument "not-all-men" is used for characteristics especially in misandry. No one had used that for just non common sense stuff.

[sadgirl]

"Not all men" is only used for the people who say "all men".

[freexzolo]

Interesting points. But I am assuming (by your argument) when a terrorist attack happens and someone says 'Not all muslims' you will respond the same way...

[andreibruck]

Its weird how "not all men" is so shocking while "not all women" is just there getting ignored

[anwarnassredine]

comparing the " not all men " argument with the " movies " on is so stupid, in the first one a man try to stop the generalization and in the seconde one you specifically say " this movie is bad ", not " all movies are bad "

[vincentschilling]

Its not about when somebody says "This movie is bad" but when he/she says "Movies are bad" . How can I not respond with "not all movies are bad?" He/She actually is saying that all movies are bad.

[beepbob]

This is a copy paste answer.

Yes, you read it right. I support #Notallmen. Before you start labelling me as a rapist, sexist, misogynist, etc, let me tell you why I support #Notallmen.

The reason why I support #Notallmen is not because I support rapists or sexists. But, I'm a man of self respect who wouldn't tolerate being blamed for crimes committed by few irresponsible and inhumane men. In no way, #Notallmen is against women rights or safety of women. It is just a counter response to #Allmen. I'm a man who cares about women safety and women rights. But again, that doesn't mean I would let my self respect go away.

Some say that we men care more about #notallmen than issues faced by women. Again, that doesn't mean people who support or promote #Notallmen don't listen to women. I and many other men do listen to their issues. Just because I support #Notallmen it doesn't mean I'm against listening to issues faced by women. Any man with some self respect wouldn't tolerate being blamed for crime committed by another man. Nobody is trying to put down the voices of women. In what way, supporting or promoting #Notallmen, puts down the voices of women?They have their voices and I acknowledge the fact that some of my fellow men do commit crimes against women and I feel sorry and I apologize for that. Again, that doesn't mean you can label one whole sub species. I'm a man with self respect and I wouldn't tolerate being called a rapist.

#Notallmen is to combat the general accusation on all men put by #Allmen just for the mistakes of few men. In no way, #Notallwomen is against feminism or rights of women.

Let's discuss ways to make this society more safe for women instead of blaming every single goddammed man on this planet.

[thetornadocrusader]

Not all men is valid. Y'all are treating us like it's all men

[ananyapandey]

The BEST part abt this vid is that the argument is being set by a man

[TheRealPingu]

This guy definitely drinks soy milk regularly.

[FebreezyBKD]

I don't say "Not all men" Because it's Cringy but to shine a little bit of light on it and I mean no disrespect by this, I mostly see that phrase being used when someone is talking about men in general and not usually towards a specific person. Yes it would be a bit obvious that the Not all men Argument would be a stupid argument, but that would be if the argument was being used towards someone who was addressing a specific person. When someone is addressing the entire gender saying something about Men in general, and then the argument "Not all men" is used it holds validity. Don't get me wrong here I understand that sexual assault is an issue, and such and there is no problem with raising awareness for it, just out of personal experience on social media, I mostly only see the NotAllMen argument being used the most in these outlandish social media videos that don't really do a good job of raising said awareness, but instead just causing harm to it by attacking the male gender as a whole. I appreciate your stand on it though and the video was well constructed, Overall from what you said and in the context in which it's used, I would agree with you. Good video mate :)

[jaketheguy]

Nah u misunderstood why we do say it,
Take this for example:
In our world the rate of female prostitutes is 80% while Male is the remaining 20%, so if I say that **women are prostitutes** its downright dumb and stupid as it generalises the female gender as prostitutes which is wrong and misleading and will hv a very big negative effect on people and children who will began to view all women in general as

Similarly the male gender do consist of more rapist when compared to women, so when y’all say **men rape** it generalises the male gender as rapists and so on, which is misleading and false, children and others people will view the male gender as rapist and so on, which is literally not true as majority of us are against rape and other crimes against women, it’s a very small percentage of male who do not. It’s important that we use terms like the men, few men, some men and others like it to not spread false info.

And just how u said it if a movie is shit I can’t say *movies are shit* it generalises movies as shit & it is downright dumb and stupid, I need to be clear so that others do not get the wrong info.

We would not hv bothered if it was not an issue and people understand the concept that it refers to the few males who do not all, but this is not what is happening so that’s why we do need to say it

[wanderer]

This guy probably goes home to his wife and her boyfriend

[naomio]

It’s become clear that these people don’t want to understand, they just choose not to

[TheRealPingu]

“This movie is terrible” analogy is stupid because the women who make these arguments make generalizations about all men being bad. That is the problem I have with these movements.

[VivekMishra-rryn]

Your analogy is flawed. You said "This movie is awful" but what many feminists say is "Movies are awful" and responding to it with "Not all Men" is completely logical.

[kiddwrldx]

Bro I’ve never seen a women or post say that a specific man is bad, they always point out all men, that’s why I say “not all men”

[dapperpotatoes]

I understand that too many men do the really horrible stuff, but I say it when others blame all men because that's not fair on people that actually care. Like if I said everyone on the other side of the coin said "all men are trash" again it's too many but not all people on the opposing side do that and I respect those who don't because equality really shouldn't be fought against.