John Stossel is WRONG about EVs: Pt 2

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John Stossel is WRONG about EVs: Pt 2

[fwgmills]

I used to watch Stossel’s videos even if I didn’t always agree with his conclusions. This pair of videos put a stop to that. These were so easy to fact-check but he seems to rely on this one guy’s opinion that it makes him laughable. Thanks Sam!

[mtbingadventures]

It's scary reading the comments under Stossel's video and how many people believe what he says without questioning him at all. Thanks for making these videos.

[mytoolworld]

The funny thing is that every time some official sounding claim comes out that EVs are bad, blah, blah, blah, and an EV enthusiast hears about it, it only serves to make the the EV enthusiast even more evangelical about talking EVs to friends, family and coworkers. I personally have changed many peoples' previously negative opinion about EVs by talking the truth to them and allowing them to experience my EV first hand (a Tesla) and they go from "I don't know" to "Damn, I gotta get me one of those!" . . . each . . . and . . . every . . . time!

[SteveBakerIsHere]

Even the numbers quoted here are too high! Do the math: US motorists drive 3.2 trillion miles/year total. An average EV drives 4 miles on 1 kWh - so extra demand for 100% EV's is 0.8 trillion kWh. However the oil industry requires 5kWh of to refine 1 gallon of gasoline...and we consume 135 billion gallons/year. So if we stop using gasoline, we save 0.675 trillion kWh powering oil refineries. So overall additional demand for going 100% electric is 0.125 trillion kWh. Total US annual electricity production is 4.1 trillion kWh. So EV's would increase demand by just 3%. Since most EV's charge at night when demand is 15% lower than daytime. So the ACTUAL TRUTH is that we can do this with ZERO increase in generation capacity or grid capacity - and by eliminating those oil refineries - which run 24/7 - we'd actually REDUCE daytime demand !!! Google the numbers yourself - do the math yourself...you don't have to believe me.

[Alexzw]

Great Job Sam, I was looking forward to your part 2 of his videos.

Can’t wait for part 3! :)

[runeaanderaa]

It is worth noticing that Stossel removed the part of the entire surface of the US having to be covered by wind and solar. I calculated it to be more like 0.2% of the surface. He wrote in a comment that it was because they had used outdated numbers. The photovoltaic effect was discovered in 1839 by Edmond Becquerel. Maybe Stossel went with his numbers.

[ewxlt]

My power company charges the cheapest price for electricity starting at 12am. Still relatively high at $.24 per kWh but waaaay cheaper than gas.
Stossel is rich enough to not care about gas prices.

[Dedread]

Thanks for making this video - I had a big argument, for which I was mostly insulted, in the comments section of Stossel's two videos...

[delta--tang-]

Thought: I’m a HS math teacher, and I would definitely use real data for word problems for my students… especially about cars since they are all at that age of starting to drive. If you collect and present data… I’ll make word problems and matching videos solving them like, “after how many years will it be more cost effective to drive an EV than …..” or “if the national average cost for gas is ___, electricity at level 2 chargers is ____, and on average, people drive ____ miles per year, compare the cost of driving ICE vehicles X, Y, Z with EV vehicles A, B, and C for one year. Compare to the up front cost. What is the break even point?” Lol stuff like that.. like, every year maybe set up a new video of current stats. I’ll use that and refer my students and video watchers to your video for the most recent, verified data in one place. :) thanks for all you always do!

[danielmcfarland]

My car cost 1 to 2 dollars per day or $30-$60 per month. At 10 cents per kilowatt. My electric bill per month is $180. So my use is 16.7% to 33% percent. Only charge at 12AM. This has little effect on the grid. Electric producers have to idle power production at night. They would love to sell us all electricity with existing power plants and grid that are st low usage. This is why many producers have metered plans that discount at night and off peak hours.

[alstud]

Re: strain on the electric grid-Has anyone accounted for installed solar/battery storage? Depending on panels installed, available light, and consumption, a home can operate independently, becoming net negative to the grid.

[rvmorgan]

the biggest argument against EV cars is the disposal you can not just crush and melt down an EV car like you can a normal car. I have not heard anything about how much it will cost and what they will do with all the stuff yet. that is the one thing I have against them.

[jimgarrett]

Nailed it. I read the written version of Stossel's screed, which clarified that his physicist expert is from the Manhattan Institute, a known conservative think tank. Stossel could have found a suitable physicist at any number of universities around the country, so why go to a think tank, conservative or otherwise? He isn't even trying to get an accurate understanding.

[runeaanderaa]

Currently, about 25% of all cars in Norway are electric. The grid does ok so far. And when the electicity cost 5 times as much at 6pm as at 23pm, most people are smart enough to plug the car in at night.

[russellaustin]

The government would never lie....Would they...U.S. department of energy, Straight up honest huh. And California doesn't shut down power because of the excess use. And then there is the copper required.

[phillipduncan]

I enjoy your videos so keep them coming. I just have a minor correction for you. Power plants don't generate electricity at night and waste it. Unless you have some way to store the energy electricity is something that effectively is consumed the instant it is produced. To follow the demand the power plants ramp up or down to match the demand. What is wasted when the demand drops off is the energy conversion efficiency. As a plant reduces its output the thermal efficiency, expressed in heat rate, changes. This means that to produce one MW of power the amount of input energy from the fuel goes up as he plant ramps down. Power plants operate at maximum efficiency when they are near full capacity.

[apterachallenge]

Interesting that the average American only drives 35 miles a day. Guess what, the Aptera can generate up to 40 miles a day from solar, so would not need the grid at all based on that statistic.

[davidhumeston]

Thank you.
Great job... I shared it with 10 people LOL...

[joeabad]

I can currently fulfill my power requirements with solar panels on my roof..

[ndrdst]

Preach, Sam! How can these evil old men keep doing what they're doing and not suffer the consequences.