Birds from Dinosaurs ?

Another question people ask me is, "Do you think birds came from dinosaurs?" Let's just say I don't see how, here's why;

1. A flight feather is a nonliving, intricately manufactured marvel, that is far more complex than most people realize! Let me show you.
2. There are numerous physical differences that are far too complex and cannot be explained by any step by step process.
3. There are no transitions (just a few questionable mosaics*) and in fact the transitions between many of these stages would NOT survive.
4. Bird tracks are found before the dinosaurs in permian and triassic sediments.
5. Fully flying feathered birds are buried with dinosaurs throughout the cretaceous.
6. The "evidence" for it is not only weak, some is wild speculation. (I don't go into it in the video but look into the 2007 Science article claiming Velociraptor had feathers, based solely on 6 very small bumps they interpreted as "quill knobs" on only one bone. No actual feathers were found nor have they ever been found.)

*Many of these mosaics come from one specific area of the world. One should question how reliable some of these sources are, especially when we've already seen how bad some people want this story to be true. Look at the Archaeoraptor Hoax in National Geographic. How many people get to see and work with the actual fossils coming out of these digs?
"fake (s) ... have become very easy to make and very difficult to spot.”
Jeff Hecht, “F is for fake”, New Scientist, Feb. 19, 2000

[raptorjesus]

At 4:18 in the video you mention the way birds breath and it's a great place to start. It's hard to address everything featured in an almost ten minute long video in a youtube comment section, but I can give one piece of information that might help with the incredulity towards the birds came from dinosaurs idea. Aerosteon is a megaraptoran found in Argentina with remnants of its respiratory system intact. Quoting the wikipedia page (which is referencing the published description) "Some of Aerosteon's bones show pneumatisation (air-filled spaces), including pneumatic hollowing of the furcula and ilium, and pneumatisation of several gastralia, suggesting that it may have had a respiratory air-sac system similar to that of modern birds." This is important because this animal is not an ancestor of birds. Birds already existed at the time of Aerosteon, meaning a common ancestor of both lineages had this trait. So the continuous airflow breathing that birds use is older than birds.


TL;DR -Many traits that we think of as exclusive to birds are not unique.

[galenitaa]

While I don't agree with the overall statement of your video, I do agree that science is always changing and we can never be completely sure about certain things, given the nature of paleontology. I also find it oddly satisfying that you question the knowledge we have about bird evolution, so good job on that part, I think it's essential to question our current knowledge in order to progress as a society. However I also think it is damaging to alienate all information you don't agree with and discard it as not true because of misunderstanding or lack of further research. Paleontologists are certainly not for the money, since other than making you famous in the paleo-community and open you some doors (like making documentaries with some mayor science shows or being invited to talk publicly about your discovery) there's nothing else to it, at least nothing specifically or specially lucrative. So all in all I found your video really interesting and thought provoking, I don't agree with what you're saying, but I see where you're coming from.

[BlueUncia]

I like your videos on corvid behaviour a lot, but I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. Everything you've mentioned has actually been addressed by scientists. For example, birds living alongside dinosaurs doesn't disprove that birds evolved from dinosaurs, because evolution doesn't imply that the next organism to evolve will replace its ancestor. If they occupy different ecological niches, there's no reason they can't continue to live side by side.


Also, dinosaurs weren't cold-blooded. If you have some time on your hands, I'd reccommend checking out a YouTube channel called TreyTheExplainer. It's an absolute treasure trove for anyone interested in paleontology. He's got a bunch of videos on numerous topics, including the feathers issue, how "complex" structures can evolve (like the eye), the "Indians depicted dinosaurs" issue, etc. It's all well researched, and he knows a whole bunch of scientists in the field. He's not real big on creationism, though, so fair warning.

[tabberbarlow]

I could have you google a picture, and you tell me if it's a bird or dinosaur. Yeah? Million dollar question actually. Or I bet I could show you a transitional species we can see today. Is it a salamander or a fish?

[xinic]

They have found proof that dinosaurs had feathers. They found a tail preserved in amber with bird like feathers.

[darinclark]

"Nature's blind tinkering..."?? I love Ravens, but am shocked at your ignorance....

[Phoenix]

Great video with some very interesting, and I think valid questions. I think asking questions is how we better understand the world, and how science advances. If any idea can't stand up to scrutiny, then how good is it?

[悪魔-jv]

You know it takes millions of years right non of this happens over night plus not every creature that lived on this planet can be successfully documented right or even look the same? Lmao what is this video plus most of the books and documents are outdated lol
I believe you're looking for Archaeopteryx < (First bird) I love were your mind is you get a like from me 👍.

[imagomonkei]

Every word you say is an argument from ignorance. Your ignorance is not a sufficient argument against the nearly indisputable fact of dinosaur-to-bird evolution.

[MaxMartini]

Great video! Congratulation on your very healthy questioning! I also agree that all species are a unique and are not necessarily evolved from eachother

[spindle_shank]

It's proved scientifically, that theropods had feathers, and there is an ability to develop a scaleless mutation in some snakes and lizards. And there are the inbetween stages, like archeopteryx, ichyornis and many more and dinosaurs didn't necessarily shed, it might've been that it evolved later in other reptiles. So in my opinion birds did evolve from dinosaurs, remember, 60 milion years passed, much could've happened

[botanicaltreasures]

It all comes down to presuppositions. I believe that God created the world although I wasn't there to observe Creation happen. But then I believe in a lot of things I wasn't around to participate in. Yet God did leave a record of what happened in Genesis 1. It is interesting that he made birds and fish on the same day in his extremely busy week. Our problem is we can't duplicate His work so it is beyond the scope of Science. All science can do is help us ask better questions about our world. I can see how a feather is like a scale; and how a feather is unlike a scale. Yet saying feather equals scale is a leap of faith to me.

[kurglekreutzer]

Very good presentation once again. If everyone would have to answer the questions and observations presented in this video with facts, not with the "official coloring book fairytale graphs" available to you on your government funded websites/schools/universities etc. this world really would function in a very different way, that's for sure. But that is not to be because the education system, especially in this issue, is forcing you to accept blindly whatever graph/nonsense they show and say to you - no proof is needed and this is because the system favors those who show blind faith and obedience, or who are ready to compromise their conscience, to such institutions and people who fund and run the system. In other words, the love of money is the root of ALL evil.

[davidekstrom]

Weren't they saying most dinosaurs had feathers anyway? You mentioned the birds scoots, and how they don't shed, reminds me a lot of alligators, and their own form of scoots, and I believe, alligators don't shed? Or crocodiles ? I mean, if evolutions is true, we all came from fish, right? Fish scales and reptile scales have some similarities. Good video, even if I don't one hundred percent agree, I appreciate your different point of view, very much actually, more people need to think outside the box, this box has been so engrained in society.
More raVen videos!!

[AlexandraStubbs]

It’s simply to discredit God and Jesus and what They created. Lovely video, I love what you presented, I’ve never heard anyone present this perspective before. Keep up your amazing work!

[Epcness-Gaymer]

Well we aren't saying reptiles evolved to birds
Dinosaurs on the other hand were not lizards but are the point where reptiles evolved to birds
Humans are billions of years from fish so evolution is how life is a variety of plants to fish fish to amphibians amphibians to reptiles reptiles to dinosaurs dinosaurs to birds
A gap in the evolution will split into different creatures such as early lizard like dinosaurs to furry raptors and tyrannosaurs sauropods went completely extinct if they didn't a new evolution would begin look at a dinosaur skeleton and a chicken skeleton when I say dinosaur I mean a therapod there is too many things similar to be different so I challenge you to do real research and get your nose out of a 1980s Dino kids book and realize we have learned so much since what your saying like the fact dinos were completely covered in hair like feathers that evolved to lighter and larger thinner feathers and that raptors and other small birds of prey evolved to what you would call either a eagle or a halk and evolved to fly with the wings that it got when it's large brain seen it was effective so yeah sorry bruh

[georgeohwell]

Tornado in a junkyard by James perloff will explain this fable away