737 Pilot Reacts to the JeJu 737 Disaster

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[ThomasBarnes-gh]

Im a Retired Pilot from a major airline with 37 yrs of service. I’ve flown everything from 737 to the 777 with over 30, 000 hrs of experience.
You are Spot on with your commentary. I think the same thing as you.

[Matt-jvmk]

I'm a 737 pilot. Another factor to consider in this investigation, in addition to everything Max A talked about, is the pilots' circadian rhythm patterns. They took off from Bangkok at 1911Z, or just after 2 AM local Bangkok time (ICT), or 4 AM local Korean time (KST, the pilots' "body clock" time). Assuming the Korean pilots' report times are similar to our own here in the US, they had to be at the gate about 30 mins prior to departure. Most pilots will set their alarms about two hours prior to report time in order to shower, dress, eat, and account for transportation time to the airport and getting through security. That means the Jeju pilots woke up (at the latest) at about 11:30 pm local Bangkok time, or 1:30 am local Korean time. Speaking from experience, that's brutal. It's almost impossible to get adequate rest when you're waking up a little bit after most humans go to bed. In our training on fatigue, we're taught that operating on reduced sleep is equivalent to a blood alcohol level that would make us legally intoxicated - yet airlines regularly schedule trips like these. At the time of the incident, these pilots had effectively been up all night. Even if they had gotten eight hours of sleep (unlikely), sleeping opposite a normal human body clock does not provide the same rest as sleeping through the night. It is likely that the Jeju pilots were hit with a complex emergency situation when they were operating in a state of significant physiological and cognitive deficit. Obviously, adrenalin did not compensate for it. Think about it, how alert would you be if you had likely slept pretty badly, then gotten up in the middle of the night, then sat in a chair with nothing much to do but try to stay awake for about five hours after departure, then were faced with a do or die, no-mistakes-allowed situation strapped to a chair in a cumbersome flight deck with a clamp (headset) on your head? This also may have been the second or third or fourth day of extreme early report times for this crew resulting in a compounding of fatigue. In light of the above, it makes a lot of sense that the pilots may have shut down the wrong engine. It happens. For example, in 2021, a 737 out of Honolulu shut down the wrong engine and had to ditch just offshore after experiencing engine problems immediately after takeoff. Luckily, both pilots survived (it was only carrying cargo) though the captain was seriously injured. Interestingly, that flight was also operating opposite normal human circadian patterns - it departed HNL at approximately 1 am.

[honeycake]

Love your video. I’ve seen a former pilot live streaming for 1.5hours talking about this incident and multiple other videos. You are straight to the point and make everything easier to understand

[emmeriankiwi]

My first reaction watching this was thinking this plane was just going to skid off the runway, few minor injuries. But watching it slam into a concrete wall, ending 179 lives instantly just sent shivers down my spine. There are so many questions to be answered.

[ravimaythil]

Spot on commentary! Irrespective of any pilot errors (or not) / aircraft issues (or not), there needs to be a basic revamp of airport / runway safety standards:
1. No hard obstacles at the end of runway both ends
2. EMAS is a must at the end of runways both ends
3. Additional crash barriers (eg. Big Ass safety nets as you see on some aircraft carriers) at the start of the EMAS zone for smaller runways

[ShaneJao]

I like how the video started directly into the content ! Great video !!

[eurooceania]

Im an in-service pilot working for Air Zimbabwe with 18 years of experience. I have flown the 777, 747 and the 737.
The very first day I saw this video I thought as much as everything you've said.
You are on point.

[robocobrabot]

Excellent analysis. Thank you for taking the time to put this together.

[KoguryoKid]

Thank you for this very fine commentary and analysis. It may be the best one I've seen so far....and I've watched a bunch!

[Hee-op]

Thankyou you touched on the real issue when you said we are coming to a time that more pilots with less experience operating commercial airplanes.

[beachem]

Outstanding analysis. Love the professionalism you show. Thanks for the review 🫡✈️

[victorgrasscourt]

Without flaps and slats the landing speed was around 40 knots higher. No spoilers after touchdown. No attempt to use the rudder to change direction. Problem is coming in hot like that, the friction to slow the aircraft down was just the surface area under the engines and the tail. Like landing on three skids.

[deed]

Great job. I hope your message is heard around the World. Thanks

[tonys]

This is easily the best video breaking down this incident. Thank you 🙏

[NetWit]

This is the best analysis on this subject in my opinion because he describes what must have been going on in that 737 cockpit. I already knew about the landing gear and flaps question and the concrete wall, but now can see the complexity and unforgiveness of the 737 in an emergency.

[Grandpa_Boxer]

Thanks for super sharp and enlightening coverage of this sad crash.

[nielst.]

Excellent disclaimer where you mention your opinion and let's wait for official outcome of pending investigations

[willnelson]

There is a wall at the airport boundary, but the jet didn't make it that far. What they hit was the localizer antenna array. There is a pretty good view of the localizer antenna from street view from the southwest. The antennas don't sit on a wall, but arguably something much worse. There is a very thick slab (reference news photos) maybe 2 feet thick and 10 feet wide on top of the approximately 12 foot high earthen berm. When the jet plowed through the berm it left the slab high up with the jet impacting the slab edge on. An immensely strong obstacle at a very bad height.

[mikenn]

Your explanation is brilliant and I learned a lot from you. Very interesting. Very articulated. Excellent job. Thank you

[TCOLE-tcvs]

Thank you for this - excellent job of breaking down the complexity of flying, configuration for landing and the pilot scenarios during trouble shooting.