A Record Number of people are NOT interested in College - Why?

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[showingsoftwarebugs]

My only regret in life was going to college for 4 years. I work in a field that requires you to keep your knowledge up to date, not have a degree. College taught me things I have never used to this day (15 years later), and only left me with a bill and unemployment (speaking as valedictorian). My career only started when I began self-learning with up to date and needed knowledge in the field by going through books, projects, videos, blogs/articles, and open source teams. The bootcamp I went to also helped me get up to date with a mern stack.

[ruleaus]

College has become a joke. My local community college is offering a "LGBT literature" course. Also, for college to become unnecessary employers have to get on board. Unfortunately, many employers ask for a degree and many of the ones that don't want at least some professional experience. It creates this perception that I'll have a very difficult time getting hired and advancing in my career without a degree. It even makes me think about going to college in spite of the costs.

[frankom]

Of course you say this, because you need to sell your course.
I don't think somebody needs a college degree, but having a college degree is not as awful as you put it.
I don't know which kind of college you went to, but i didn't play beer pong and I learned things that some self-taught people had more experience than me at work didn't know, and conceptually I could solve problems faster because I understand technology better.
Google recommends you to become a coder and not go to college, but all their high-end positions are controlled by people that went to college and they introduce themselves with their diplomas in the front.
They don't care about people becoming more than a worker bee. It is the theory of power without greatness.

[Geloorigami]

College is only worth it if you can study for free or cheap

[Mortum_Rex]

Though I agree with everything said here, the ethereal world of websites and apps and smart phones and what have you is only the tip of the tech and coding iceberg. The moment you step outside of that fuzzy cloud and start touching physical reality, the nature of the game changes dramatically. This depends greatly on the individual and their aims, but there's a wide world of industry out there that can not only be extremely interesting and rewarding to work in, but can pay a hell of a lot better too. Everything from aviation to energy and transport and science and all sorts of other interesting industries where the uni route might not be negotiable. So this comes down to personal assessment of interests and values and career paths. A lot of the theory and abstraction of academic thought can be indispensable when it comes to a lot of the stuff to do with the serious business of running civilisation. Bringing solid frameworks and a good deal of theory can be the difference between your ending up in a team working on the cutting edge where new tech often needs to be re-envisioned from the ground up, or working on toasters, or making another variation of the same eCommerce site for the thousandth time. This is by no means a value judgement in terms of career paths, and if making a comfortable living is what you're primarily aiming for then the path of least resistance if definitely the way to go... though you still need to put in the hard yards and never stop learning of course.

[TwitchRadio]

I can help with this subject, as a current student of Colorado Technical University studying for a BSIT in Software Systems engineering, I feel that it is structured in such a way that it teaches the main principles of making software like software requirements Gathering, agile and waterfall mythologies, and compliancy, along with some coding...

Why I like my college so much is because it's 100% online, and the professors teaching at the college are most of the time working at other software companies or high-level senior software Engineers themselves doing something in the sector... Long story short.. It's a very good mix, and it's possible to learn in this fashion due to the professors being from all around the world from different backgrounds so you get a good mix of leading experts in their fields...

I don't disagree that the price of college is crazy but I think if you can do it and do it with grants or like me I used my military benefits (gi bill), I would definitely look at CTU and some of their courses..

Only down side is if you want more coding integrated into your classes, they do work with you with in the degree program near in and can integrate these classes as long as your core classes are done.. Anyways, worth a look..

Thanks for the video as always man, and be safe out there😎👍💯

[diztens]

To do well in college it takes discipline that's why I still say it's valuable!

[jcantonelli]

My college experience was a 4-year party in which I came out with ZERO hard skills, completely unprepared for a career in the Information Age.

[belgianheskey]

I finished my first year of my CS degree, I have still not been able to secure an internship even though I have probably applied for around 50+. However in comparison to most degrees it still has some relevance to learning. I understood python better, system design, maths and web design. You need to work just as hard to land a job, a cs degree is definetly not a fastrack to a job however I applied to 300+ tech jobs over the past several months and was rejected by all of them except 3. It's really about arming yourself in the best way possible for the job market however I feel learning and a language and framework well is what will land you a job. I think if you're able to do things part time and land a job midway through your degree it's definetly worth it. You can pay off your tuition easily. Once you land a job however having a degree is more of a bonus, almost like having a little extra arm.

[kebman]

If you do know Calculus, you can do some _seriously_ deep and cool stuff tho, so if you get the opportunity, then it's worth going the extra mile to learn methinks. I fell off that train before even high school, due to algebra, but if you know prog, you basically know algebra, so it's worth a try IMHO. Especially if you're into advance animation, anything sim related, neural networks, etc (the deep end, not the surface level api's). Edit: But no, it's definitively not a req for learning prog. NOt at all. I know prog, so no, but I did take a gander at Calculus, and if nothing else I've gotten a ton better at algebra for it lol! (had to freshen up to get Calculus concepts)

[yeraycatalangaspar]

The best thing about University is contacts, and depending of the profesion, the title will PERMIT you to work. But unless you get a very hands one profesion, you can learn nearly everything online already (Not counting things like cirurgy etc).

[The_Gallowglass]

Nobody wants to pay half a mortgage for something that isn't guaranteed to make them money. Lots of people I know don't even work in the field they studied. My buddy Brian ended up going to the military after he found his business degree was useless. Luckily he was able to become an artillery officer due to the degree and now he's living well.

[ytronik]

although I haven't done the university, I believe that great minds might need some math good professor. I love math and I study it myself and calculus 2 at 'home' is challenging

[RJ-isko]

Built a couple of programs (c++, c#) in an online college which had to be graded according to a list of specs. I learned so much. Learned most of it on my own so I'm technically self taught(almost no resources from Uni). 4 classes left till grad. So I think it's worth it. As for other types of degrees not so sure.

[Jose-cfps]

As long developer is not a government regulated profession... At least here in Portugal... Some college courses are latter regulated by "orders" that regulated curriculums and access to that...if colleges loose students lobby government and...

[realistvision]

I 100% agree with you Stefan. Universities often teach outdated technologies and ways of working. And often focus on a broad range of topics rather than focusing on a few in-depth. Consequently many students graduate with a CS degree with limited knowledge around HTML, CSS and JavaScript. And on top of that I have never seen a university syllabus focus on a front-end framework like react. Therefore they will not be job ready to be a web developer if that is their goal. I guess you could say well study the CS degree and web development well a part of me thinks save years of your life and cut university out and just study web development. All of the knowledge is out there such as your course, tutorials online and Udemy to name a few. However many employers require a CS degree and this will always look good on your CV. Based on this reason do you feel it is worth getting a CS degree Stefan? My concern is as I age it is important to have that degree to evidence my learning. Although as mentioned we now that college/university are not the only place where you can learn this day in age.

[Dr_Larken]

Literally anything you want to learn you can learn it for free online if you know how to look for it! Even goes for books! The other day I seen David bombil I think it’s how you say his last name he recommended two books both I found exclusively for free I was able to download them right away instead of paying upwards close to 100 bucks! One of the books was gray hat python the other book was black hat python first edition! I managed to get a lot of HTMLCSS your name and I was able to get it! But just because you can obtain copies for free doesn’t mean shit if you’re not reading them or using them kind a like me I’m still in the overwhelming sources trying to narrow what I want to do down to specifics! I fell in love with HTML so I’m sticking to HTML and CSS as well as networking!

[sciuresci]

Here's the thing about advanced math/physics classes in CS curriculum. Sure they'll be useless for most SEs but they're useful if you wanna work for companies developing engineering software. The programmer will have to be proficient at basics to communicate with engineers/scientists from other fields to create a modelling software. I guess those classes also build problem solving skills but yeah they should be optional.

[radui]

Nice video Stefan. In university you study 3-5 years but if you don't go to university how much time and studying you need to do to get to that level? I guess it is not the same to study 6 months and be at the same level as a university graduate.

[SherriAshton]

I will be the first to say you CAN include you student loan in your bankruptcy as I have done it. You just have to take them to court and it has to be so many years after being done college. Also have to prove why you can’t pay it back. For me it was feast or famine at the time (went from making $80000 ish to $20000 ish a year). Also I think there is value in an education in the sense it’s guided and structured and you come out with hopefully good habits and references. University maybe not so much but college (2 years like I’m taking and gets to the point) or boot camp.