Old Model, New Price | 'New' Bachmann 64xx Tank Engine | Unboxing & Review

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A double review of two Bachmann 64xx Pannier Tank locomotives!

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0:00 Intro
3:14 Unboxing
8:36 Prototype Info
9:38 Detail
15:45 Mechanism
18:20 Performance
25:09 Haulage
30:18 Ratings
33:57 Conclusion
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Hey Sam, I've got three non-running American locomotives (And some american rolling stock). If you want them for Salvage or Scrap, I can see about getting them to you. I don't need any of it, and all of it's damaged in some way, so no one's bought it. If you want it, it's yours.

sambrown
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Your "comparison" videos are always enjoyable and informative. The BR green examples looks great!

With you all the way with your findings & conclusions.

stephendavies
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Properly this is the rare review you ever done, with two locomotives. Great video as always.

jackrumseycentralrailway
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Thank You. Thank You. The double review was fun. The double review was fun. Great Job. Great Job.

paulputnam
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Running in over a few hours I've found most models improve significantly. Some get a little worse though but I put that down to brass and steel material migrating as the surfaces of contacts and inner wheel faces bed in. A post-running in clean of the contacts and rubbing surfaces helps a lot and then this isn't really necessary until after a few good hours when you'd normally service them anyway. Individual samples do vary though. I bought two Bachmann Cl25s and the first one (BR Green) ran superbly out of the box. The second (BR Blue) wasn't a good runner but improved substantially after a few hours of running in. After this, If you swapped the bodies over you wouldn't be able to tell which was which. I think manufacturing tolerances are quite loose and this probably explains the varied results until running in, which brings them more or less in line with each other as various components bed in.

PhilipBallGarry
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Hi Sam,
Taking nothing away from your usual insightful and informative review, it seems a (tiny) missed opportunity to run a 64xx with two autocoaches without a prototypical arrangement; i.e. with the loco in the centre and with the coaches having their driving cabs furthest from the loco. As these locos were used for push-pull passenger trains, and for shunting, testing the models' performance in push-mode might have been interesting - particularly if they weren't very good at it!
Otherwise a thoroughly entertaining video - I'm a fan, even though space limitations mean I model in n-gauge not OO!
Best regards,
Greg

gregorystark
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I find it neat that you got sequentially numbered locomotives!
If you ever review two of the same loco at the same time again, you should do so with diesels (especially American ones, as some have different details) since they tend to have more variety in liveries than steam locos

MrBnsftrain
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Hi Sam, I know this video is a year old, I have just purchased a Bachmann 35-026a pannier from Bala lake for £130 plus £4 p&p, this model has superior detail, next 18 decoder and flicker firebox, cordless motor and sprung buffers, can’t wait for this to arrive

theknight
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Very good Sam and the double review was a real bonus to show totally unjustified pricing. Perhaps a double review of 2 Hornby locos to prove the same thing. Is it just that Hornby and Bachmann have such a big market share that they don't care?
keep em coming Sam.

alanhaynes
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Hi Sam, I have got the Hornby Pannier that comes as a part of the Westerm Master set, and that runs worse than the older R041 Pannier Tank I got for £35 on eBay! I have also got the Bachmann Pannier that came as part of the Railway Children set. The old Hornby one runs the best! I think it is that with the old Hornby model, the pickups press tightly against the wheels, but with the other models, the pickups don;t make such good contact. I don't know why such loose fitting pickups are the norm nowadays. The only explanation I can think of is that loose pickups allow a weaker motor to cope with the friction. The older Hornby Pannier has a larger armature.

AllensTrains
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Hey Sam...off topic but will you be doing any reviews of the new TT stuff from Hornby when that comes out?

NgaugeShelfLayouts
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Hi Sam
A great review as always. Although when running the locos I noticed that the BR lined green 64xx was paired with trucks.
In real life the lined green livery was given to passenger engines and unlined green and black where given to the engines that would haul freight and shunt. But creative liberties are creative liberties. A great review nonetheless.
Have a great day
Oliver

OWpictures
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I sadly dropped my 6421 model. I'm pleased to say they're extremely tough as old boots, only a crooked buffer and running plate which was fixed in 5 minutes with a pair of pliers levering them back into place. Sadly picked mine up for the outrageous price of £126.

Northerner_Transport_Hub
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Cheers from California ! I would Love to get into the hobby, but frankly there is NO way I could afford to so I’ll watch Sam’s Trains instead .😊

nilo
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Sam, I am thoroughly enjoying your review! Unfortunately, I don’t have access to purchase any of that style of runner due to me location way down in the Deep South of Mississippi (where ‘they’ look suspiciously on foreign locos!
However, keep up the excellent and thorough reviews!!
Cheers !!😎🚂

bernardsaucier
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With the cogging of the 3 pole motors, and overall performance difference between the models, it would be interesting to drop in decoders to see if DCC could improve results? Another thought is DC users would benefit more from a flywheel than all that space for a decoder that they aren’t using

sullivanrachael
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Sam found loco he didn't own before so immediately got 2 different models of it to compare and contrast .)
The dedication is very impressive.


It is sad that the supposed old wisdom of newer being better is being proven wrong time and time again across both physical and even virtual products. i am hoping that some rising competition will light up the market eventualy but i am not gonna hold my breath.

nameless
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I'm rather confused Sam. Because I have bachmann 8751 which was bought I'm 2009. That has spring buffers (and runs a whole lot smoother) yet these newer ones dont

gs
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An important point to note is that Hattons are not an official Bachmann retailer and are not supplied by Bachamnn in any shape or form. This can work in Hattons favour as they can sometimes get Bachmann products from 3rd parties and sell at a much lower price BUT it also means that Hattons will not be stocking any new Bachmann releases until they have made their way out onto the 3rd party scene and also that the Bachmann warranty is void as regards anything bought from Hattons as that warranty only applies if you buy from an official Bachmann authorised retailer.

philkeller
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Interesting indeed, specially as a double review. As novices in the hobby we have noticed differences in motor speeds and behaviour from exactly similar product numbers so many times already. It seems that many tiny dissimilar factors adding up come into play. E.g., in one motor the brushes might possibly have a more firm contact compared to another or their compounds may differ just a bit, variances in internal windings, tiny differences at friction points, etc., etc. Different production series may also add up dissimilarities. With upmarket motors from Bühler, Faulhaber, etc, those chances will be significantly reduced. However, possibly many model train makers don’t really care about consistent performances on DC or AC since they all aim at DCC (sadly) where adjustments can be made to a very fine scale per loco... Although the RRP new of this 64xx is deemed premium in the British market, it's not really... Certainly not enough to justify premium motors from Bühler, Faulhaber, etc. Those will run consistent finely controlled on DC or AC and are rated at 10000 to 50000 running hours... But..., they are not at a price of just a few quid or even a few tenners...

lindaoffenbach