The New League Update Scared Some Players

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[yoloswageur]

Vanguard dropped faster than skarner rework.

[MbrooAster]

Here's few things about kernel level anticheats:

1. While what was said in the article is true, those kind of malicious actions can be detected by antivirus and preemptively intercepted. Kernel level anticheats are on a much deeper level, where they give zero fucks about antivirus, because anticheat simply has higher priority on your system.

2. One of the points against Vanguard is that it is always running since boot. Other anticheats launch with the start of the game.

3. Those anticheats can be another exploitation vector if someone hacked your pc, check "genshin anticheat exploit". It was used to disable antivirus on the system.

4. In order to work on the CPU without TPM 2.0, Vanguard requires disabling kernel virtualization, which is an important Windows security mechanism.

[blueskyblazingrose]

Riot not understanding that giving prestige skins to champs that already have them makes them less valuable is so funny to me

[nevermind]

its not about stealing Data, its true the client could it itself.
Its about security vulnerability.If there is a bug (never happens at Riot but just for the hypothesis) a third party could use that to compromise the system and run software with privileges that would exceed admin rights.

[RadanValenta]

About Vanguard and AntiCheats... I don't mind it starting with the game (other games do it like that) but not from the start of PC and keep it running on background whole time. That's where the big issue is.

[rotaloco]

Hi! Programmer here. Running anything on Kernel level can expose vulnerabilities in your computer to outside resources. The concern isn't Riot stealing your data, it is other people exploiting vanguard and other anticheat to access you machine for nefarious purposes.
Also, kernel level anti-cheat mostly kills the possibility for any modding, such as customs skins, and I've been hearing about cases where having any modding software in your computer, even if not actively in use, can cause a false positive and get your account banned. Generally Kernel level Anti-Cheat doesn't affect every day users, but people such as modders and programmers can get unfairly flagged because of this.
Lastly, if I'm not mistanken, Kernel Level anti-cheat isn't even necessarily the most effective way to stop cheating, and there already exist ways to work around for this kind of cheating (which I will not name here).

[renkuria]

The only concern? riot games has a history of data breaches and refusing to disclose them so what happens if a data breach occurs and this allows them access to vanguard which they can then use to install their stuff without you knowing.

[ThievingDuo]

I hate it that some industrie professionals are down-playing kernel level anti-cheat like that.
The concern is not what the DEVS do with it but what happens if the devs systems get compromised by a third party with malicious intend.

Sure, the argument can be "but those can just try and trick you into installing stuff with downloads too!!" ... which is a strawman argument.

[CuriousLumenwood]

For one blissful day I forgot that Riot actually named their fighting game 2XKO

[NaokiKurogra]

My problem with Vanguard and why I'm dropping League isn't because of it being kernal-level. It's the fact that it's constantly active and can break OS if you try to reset comp without uninstalling it.

[DodacLA]

The scary thing about kernel level anti cheat is not that the company can access your data. As said they could have done so long ago. What's scary is that it's another attack point for a system. The moment Vanguard is compromised in any way by malicious actors, thousands if not millions of computers are now susceptible to all kinds of attack all the time.... cause vanguard has to run all the time, or at least wants to run all the time.

[TheJamieellis]

For me, it's not my data i care about, it's my machine. I've heard horror stories about vanguard stopping fans from cooling the pc, about bricking pcs and trapping them in a boot-loop. i'm poor as dirt, i literally cannot afford to lose my pc :(

[Red_Frst]

So, i should give kernel level access to a company, that cant fix league client for 10+ years? And had data breach recently

[HaSuOrbs]

Didn't scared me. I uninstalled LoL at the time they announced vanguard would come to league.
And to be clear: I avoid kernal level stuff because I am not keen of installing a weak point into my system at such a deep level -- Especially from a company that gets data breached all the time.
And I only played aram's anyways so not a big loss on my end.
Since then I lost 5 kg, have a better mental health graph and am enjoying myself far more.
For that: Thanks riot for helping me fixing myself. Can only recommend 🙂

[Baniished]

Bruh the difference between those anti-cheat and vanguard is that vanguard is always on... even when your not playing.. thats a huge difference.

[ZerotheBlade]

My only concerns about Vanguard is that if you uses modding softwares for something other then lol, you are better off selling your account. I had a hard time playing Val because it keep flagging me for cheating programs for Minecraft that aren't even running.

[ThisIsABadIdeaSrsly]

Today I learned I have no kernel level anticheats in my PC. I'm not going to start now.

[MSusername]

9:45
Joking aside, they could sell the data, there is a huge market for random data like that. How do you think those spam callers get your number? it was most likely sold to them by some survey or website you went to.

[Emmaraldi]

my personal issue with Vanguard isnt that its kernel level
its that it is the ONLY kernel level that runs as long as your pc does
where every other kernel TO MY UNDERSTANDING only runs when the game itself does
nor do they impact performance
it also does not SOLVE all cheating, infact other games with it still HAVE cheating issues
and for league, i am not willing to do that.

[arionell]

NoWay (German Challenger Streamer) currently does an A-Z Challenge. He says during this challenge he time and time again realizes just how many champs are currently unplayable shit and it's never been this bad. Every other champ he plays he complains about.

I completely agree as a high diamond player. This is, by far, one of the worst seasons I have ever played in terms of balance. It started off nice, then people figured out that how unbelivably broken some things are and I actually cannot believe that Riot is happy with the current balance.