Rouland: China Is Ahead of Us in AI

Phosphorus Cybersecurity CEO and co-founder Chris Rouland joins Caroline Hyde and Ed Ludlow to discuss the growing concerns over China's espionage activities and AI advances, and what these increased US-China tensions will mean for businesses.
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[willengel]

China does not ban Micron chips. it is known Micron lobbied congress to take action against Chinese competitors. China advised companies not to use Micron chips in their infrastructure. a slap on the wrist.

[Cashhhhew]

No shit. They’re ahead of us in curriculum. They actually teach comp sci as core curriculum, meanwhile the US has barely adapted core curriculum since the 80s. We are abysmal in every facet of education. This gap will only grow exponentially unless we seriously start to invest and care about our education system the way China, Singapore (especially) and many other countries do. They are too far ahead of us to reasonably expect for the US to lead in any tech industry in the next decade alone. This will also be clear as war evolves to tech and aerospace.

[jagsingh]

All these hi-tech were largely available in West but never shared openly with developing countries and people-in-need. Now with China in the lead, such technologies and collaborations help world towards a shared and prosperous future.

[zionen]

Why would China want US AI companies there if China is so far ahead.

[minyaw]

China does not have the chip design (Nvidia) the fabs (tsmc) euv (asml) lasers for that (Trumpf) lenses (zeiss).

They dont have chatgpt (us), they didnt invent stable diffusion (uk, germany), and they won't be able to train them without the GPUs from Nvidia.

I'm not saying we should relax, but they are certainly far behind us, and that will stay that way for a long time wirhout modern GPU clusters.

[joealbert]

China is lagging behind the US in AI technology but leading in quantum communications.

[DamonDudley]

China isn't ahead of Google when it comes to AI. Not even close.

[tluangasailo]

This is midleading, China is unable to develop machine learning/LLM that are comparable to ChatGPT4 and Google Bard...means they are significantly lagging behind US in AI...

China's largest quantum computer Zuchongzhi 2.1, has a computational power of 66 qubits but IBM's Osprey from US boasts 433 qubits. Not only is the US leading, but is also ahead in all quantum computing methods such as superconducting qubits, photonic quantum computing, topological quantum computing, semiconducting quantum computing, and nitrogen vacancy

[politicalofficer]

He needs to qualify what he means by China is ahead of the US in AI.... not for Frontier AI models

[Ukie]

I’m very suspicious about Bloomberg’s reporting.

[davidfognini]

China in few words: New world leader ❤

[akashs]

most of the physics done by British and americans is not even accurate, it's full of mistakes

[MrBomuch]

the point copying/stealing.... someone has to have it first to steal...so do your own calculation

[cryptic]

One of our strengths in the US is actually immigration because we get a large cheap workforce from Latin America and alot of tech talent from Asia like India, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and even China!

[joealbert]

Let’s not be fooled about how AI will be used!

[pauldannelachica]

A.I systems and tools has a god like potential in science and technology productivity innovation. But depends on how good is the date

[janverboven]

This is complete nonsense - as any well informed person on this biased channel will know. Biased you say ? Well try to retrieve some very interesting recent tubes on AI. In the days of (early) windows it was said 'what you see is what you get' - Now we see and don't 'get' neutral unbiased tubes (only the stupid or old ones). It's a miracle nobody has spotted it, yet.

[nikemike-yjrm]

I don't think so， chatgpt is more excellent than chinese model

[mindpuzzle]

Snort! China is not ahead of us in AI, they have some capabilities with AI but that does not equate to some how being ahead of the US. Furthermore China is at least a decade behind the US on microprocessors and that distance is now set to grow as the sheer amount of money in China being lost to corruption is just mind boggling.

What you are seeing since Trump took office in 2017 is the US slowly and steadily pulling ahead of the Chinese on just about any industry that requires large processing power.

When you combine this with all the other crap going on inside China you get a general picture of malaise that doesn't indicate China getting ahead of the US at least not without the US actively aiding China and that's not happening any more for obvious reasons.

Furthermore don't expect China to pull out of the current economic downturn inside China quickly. China requires a complete overhaul of its economic system and that's unlikely to happen until things utterly break inside China and the CCP has no other choice.

[thomasrogers]

EVEN IN U.S UNIVERSITIES ASIAN AMERICANS LEAD IN SCIENCE AND MATH. STOP INSULTING THIS PEOPLE AND LETS INVEST IN AMERICAN EDUCATION.