GGPoker Dictatorship is Ruining Poker for PROFIT $$$

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[natefrench]

Their statement "backing should be a private arrangement" directly contradicts their other statement "in the next two months we will implement a function that allows you to see a player's backers."

[ZorshaAndHerPharaoh]

I laugh so hard, bc one of GG Poker's biggest affiliate's, Brynn Kenney, literally recruites whales for their high stakes mtts and then uses a stable to gobble up the lion's share of the whale's funds and uses ghosting, collusion, etc. Remember the Frog Poison whistleblower who outed Brynn. GG Poker was paying Brynn $2 million a year to recruit for these games, knowing he had a stable.

[amva]

The real problem is that the online tables are increasingly filled with "player mafias", all coordinated to run a business at the expense of players who do not belong or do not want to play coordinated as a team, independent players who study poker and others who only play recreationally, are not being scammed by online poker tables, but by groups who, beyond being poker apprentices, are coordinating playing poker against the rest of independent players.

Online poker tables should even apply controls to eliminate or limit the use of tools such as Solvers, RTA, Bots, and player collusion.

[AndyDouglasChannel]

At 7:23 you talk about "Multi-accounting" and my take on that is slightly different. I read that as using two computers and two accounts to play in the same tournament/cash game at the same time.

[aksharpatel]

All I see what your doing BBZ, using logic and facts to argue against GGPokers ludicrous policies. Cant we all just agree not to play on this abomination of a site. This is all the pros fault who decide to play on this shitty site because fish play on it. I would really hope one day poker players unite and we have a site that is good for the players.

[paulpascoe]

Let’s not kid ourselves. Stables are bad for online poker. Higher risk of cheating and other shady behaviour. This is an indisputable fact.

[jonathanchoi]

As a rec, im personally happy that BBZ's pro's will no longer be playing on GGpoker :)

[NoLifeNolan]

Completely agree with your stance on this. I don't think any of the larger stables are engaging in the cheating behaviours which were listed and whilst I agree that these behaviours exist, it looks like GG are unfortunately trying to implement a one size fits all solution to work against them. I think the biggest issue you'll face is when GG do their yearly KYC checks on your players to prove source of funds.

[kikaze]

Bumhunting has never been cheating, it's a pejorative term for table selection. No professional poker player could exist without table selection except maybe if you name is Ivey, any table he sits at he would be the best!!! Any winning player is "bumhunting" by playing against other players with lower skills. GG wants to eliminate consistent winning players from their pool. What I think is the ultimate goal of GG is to make poker a casino game where everyone eventually loses a little bit through rake.

[endrek]

been warning years ago about ggpoker attitude.... ggpoker should be avoided

[darrenmaxwell]

Poker was the most enjoyable when we all had to work the game out for ourselves but sadly stables and 3 rd party software groups have killed the game.

[colinwichman]

There's some huge stables in Asia that aren't as honorable as you guys. Plus, this gives GG the ability to seize funds from really any player. That's a win-win for them, I guess.

[dufuzzz]

Pretty soon it will probably be like it used to be with blackjack, where if you have a skill-edge, they will take you to a backroom and break your knee caps.

Only they'll do it digitally, as in freezing withdrawals or banning you from playing the games you're beating the most.

This is how sportsbooks have been operating for years already. Why should it be any different for poker players?

[realdavidstone]

Look, im an individual player and i play for my own and with my own money . Tbh i dont see anything that is bad for the game in that statement . I didnt even know that there exist these stabling "teams" and if they bann this shit from their site im gonna welcome it, instead of dealing with these group that could probably cheat on me or collide against me, who knows . I think to bann this shit is only good for the game and only those gonna cry, who make profit from.that scummy shit

[harrycardillo]

A stable is a team sharing information and capital resources against people who don't have a team, and therefore creating an unfair advantage. As a team they are certainly more likely to cheat. Maybe yours doesn't, but the likelihood of every form of cheating, including soft-play and ghosting is certainly prevalent among stables. In no world is any of this beneficial to a site like GG. You siphon money off the fish and rec players and that's not good for the player pool.

[ErikLarios_Poker]

We all know gg is a joke, like we just play there because of the big tournaments, but let’s be honest, we wouldn’t care if it didn’t exist

[Dementia.Pugilistica]

I agree about the bumhunting is not cheating and the weakest part of my game has always been that I'm OVERLY competitive to want to play in tougher games rather than just for profit to my detriment. It does become cheating when a new player sits down and the entire empty table fills immediately or a reg joins and everyone sits out of a game that was running because they're using third party software and colluding info to know when these guys are sitting down and how bad they are etc. That's where I'd draw the line for bumhunting - when it brings in these other elements

[philipmcauley]

Surely the BBZ guy is smart enough to know they don't want predators ruining the recs fun. The site is geared towards recs. Don't like it, tough shit
Go play elsewhere
Stables are a poison on poker.
Nothing good comes from them at all

[kingsally]

all the Brazilian high rollers about to be banned lmao

[JuanLopez-hdnw]

Reason why GG wants backing of players to be in the client only is to bring more transparency to the system.

Is player X being staked by player Y in Z tournament? Are there more players that player Y is staking that are potentially playing in Z tournament? etc etc

I don't see a world where more transparency leads to worse outcomes