Is there a need for a Pakistani Identity? - Senator Javed Jabbar - #TPE146

Javed Jabbar is a Pakistani writer and politician. Javed Jabbar has served as a Senator during Zia-ul-Haq's tensure and as the Information Minister during Pervez Mushraf's rule. Javed Jabbar has also been associated with the Advertising industry for the past 5 decades and has written several books.

Mr. Jabbar joins on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience to discuss Pakistaniyat, the need for a Pakistani identity, serving under Military Dictators and whether there is an effort being made to revise history.

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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:15 What is Pakistaniyat?
7:00 Is Pakistaniyat exclusionary?
11:30 The Pakistani Identity
32:30 Serving under Pervez Musharraf and supporting Military Dictators
42:30 Perspectives on history
49:00 Documentary on 1971

[sewaligoswami]

Well I'm from northeast India and I'm an Assamese. He's quite right about the naxalite movements here. However it has all faded nowadays. Barely exists anymore. Almost all of them have come to the mainstream. Last naxalite attack in Assam was in 2008. All of em are into businesses now except some joined politics and that too mainstream parties. Nagaland and Manipur has some elements of it left.

[jam-ssjc]

Go and ask people of Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Sikkim, Tripura and Manipur about their national identity and i assure you 99 percent wouldn't have any problem with their national identity.
The things in Nagaland in particular isn't very good but with time I hope integration of other states happen well. People recognise their regional identity of course and they're super proud of it too. Don't ever let the National identity come at the expense of your thousands of years old regional identity.

[Sameer.Rajper]

It was an honour to be taught by Mr Javed Jabbar at university. Great personality indeed.

[shoaibkahut]

Pakistan 🇵🇰 is facing serious IDENTITY crisis & nationalist forces are facing state backlash . Such conversations are necessary to be done frequently . Thank you #Ghias . #Javed sb is an authority on this subject . Pakistan has NO threat from #Sindhis #Baloch etc identities having proud on their thousand years ago identity .

[omerfarooq]

He wasnt't an anti-Zia, because if he had been he would not have been a Senator during his tenure. Furthermore, he has openly supported Musharraf. He is one of those persons who portray themselves as intellectual but is nothing more than establishment supporting person, who thinks political parties are the root cause of problem, whereas it is the millitary.

[anandsaini]

India feels 1947 same as Pakistan 1971.... Difference is only that both time a exclusion (URDU and MUslim) was main reason

[realinaam]

This is a much needed topic that needs debate every now and then
Good scenes Shahzad! 👌

Lately he has been trying to be the most loyal associate of establishment ... Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels ...

[abhishektoshniwal]

Wow. This is exactly the kind of content I want to consume to know better about my ex-countrymen and current neighbours.

[indialovesisrael]

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[abhinav]

It's pretty weird when he says 'First Pakistanis were Hindu/Jain/Buddhist and even Christians - because their religions pre-existed Islam' 'It is us Muslims who came to this land, settled down and converted others' - Um, he clearly doesn't indicate towards Mujahirs when he says 'We came to this land, settled and converted others'! It is strange because I could feel a sense of 'otherness' in that statement. As if he is one of those who came from outside. This I don't understand. Someone, please explain if I am taking his words out of context!

[sayitall]

57:32 health card is another hugely corruption issue. Living in KPK and indirectly related to health department, I personally know how it has harmed the system more than benefitted the people of the province. PTI has lost in kp because of even more corruption than we were already facing.

[vineetsinghgusain]

Shehzad ...not asking questions... is like "main khud iss bande se agree nahi karta "....

[HashimsCricketStack]

Thank you for an enlightened Pakistani experience.

[abhinav]

24:45 Says 'The state should be the only legitimate user of violence'.

[muddi]

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”

Mr. Jabbar lives and breathes this quote. He's like a man who has read the pure mathematical proof of 2 + 2 and yet he insists that the solution is 5.

[ved]

Myself from tripura, and your speaker have no idea about Indian north eastern state. And I am sure his connotation is not appealing for many sincere pakistani.

[sayitall]

Of course it is extremely alarming as JUI F has won so many seats. But sorry JJ, the role of establishment has brought such a rotten state to this province.

[jam-ssjc]

16:57
I absolutely hate this. How can anyone from other religion have respect for Islam or that country's constitution which says that the state religion will be only Islam and other religions would be given space which sounds like that other religion would be just tolerated... I can retrospect how indian muslim feels when people push their dharmic (Hindu Sikhs Jains Buddhists) country or so called hindurashtra status over india

[abhinav]

Says 'We are not an ethnic nation! We're united by religion. Due course, we'll evolve and become a country which then shall establish an ethnicity called 'Pakistani''. So absurd to hear. Lol. Compare that to India and introspect how is that different from India except, India doesn't have any religious angle to its identity. If we leave out India's current scenario, which is very communal and pro-Hindu - largely, It has been and will always be truly pluralistic by nature. India never had to define itself. It is very sad when someone has to define themselves to justify to stand out from the rest.