There's A New Browser (That ISN'T Chrome Based)

Ladybird is...interesting. Not my thing, but cool it exists. Wild to do this "from scratch" and I can respect it.

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S/O Ph4se0n3 for the awesome edit 🙏

[rickdg]

By not using chromium, the project cultivates a culture of having to maintain its own thing. Otherwise, there’s a future where all browser are just adtech or waiting for adtech to find security/bug fixes. This project is mostly a preservation project for an open web.

[RichardJActon]

09:05 - Completely backwards take. Browsers are Not standards they are Implementations of the various standards that make up the web. Fewer competing standards is generally better - up to a point. More implementations of any given standard is generally better up to a point. You don't really know how 'standard' a standard is until you implement it this reveals the ambiguities in the standard that may need fixing. It can help to spot issues in how others have chosen to implement the standard / tooling around it allowing for improvement.

18:45 - This is exactly why having new implementations of standards matters if the standards aren't good enough that you can design these components well enough to work work largely independently the standards are not doing a good enough job of describing the system.

45:36 - Completely missing the point again - the spec is worthless if you can't implement it! You don't know if you can implement it until you do - the value of the implementation is in validating the spec

The point is some ways is not the browser it's the web standards and whether or not people are following them.
If you can't implement a new browser from scratch you have bad standards that people are not actually using which means you have ceded control to whatever the dominant implementation is and you are stuck with an fragile unhealthy monolithic single point of failure that if ripe for abuse by whomever controls it.
This was a frustrating watch seems like you kind of got the point by then end but still not why it's an important thing to do.

[DFsdfd]

"usually things start fast and then get slow" is such a front-end thing to say. Andreas even addressed this in one of this videos. Its actually the opposite for low level software. Things start off slow but then get faster over the years as optimizations are added.

[calimio]

I don't care what theo says, building a new browser engine is a huge take. Good luck to the ladybird team

[TigreXspalterLP]

i dont get it. you seem to hype every ui library, which improves things in very minor ways, but you do a whole take down video of an ambitious browser project

[kreuner]

"Guys why is this piece of PRE-ALPHA software slow and buggy?"

[mikopiko]

I feel like you just saw the Ladybird browser mentioned on some orange site before making a video about it. I am happy seeing the comment section disagreeing with you on this instead of swallowing it blindly, reading the comments is satisfying. This video was a misstake, if you only looked at it from another angle, you'd be hella excited about the project and honestly, find it impressive.

[theroyalblackfridge]

Considering they are "targeting" an alpha release in 2 years, I'm surprised it can even render html

[Requiem]

Theo using quantum trigonometry to make the worst possible takes again:

[irlshrek]

things do NOT start out fast and get slow...unless youre comparing the hello world version to the early version.
the order is: Make it work -> make it right -> make it fast.

[jackevansevo]

Man who's never built a browser speaks confidently about the best way to build a browser.

[Sound_.-Safari]

Read the comments and bailed at 7mins. Literally any new browser is so good for the ecosystem. We need to champion efforts like this

[wrux]

Judging a pre-alpha software project poorly is such a frontend dev mode

[tato-chip]

People need to realize. Andreas started serenity OS as a project to break out of addiction.
Same was also true for ladybird when he just wanted a browser for his project.
He does it because he has fun doing it. I feel like the other stuff on foundation site is just flavoring.

[SpragginsDesigns]

I believe building a web browser from the ground up is precisely what we need, and I am very grateful that these people are making it happen, regardless of how long it takes or how difficult it may be. I will certainly be contributing.

[apresthus]

It's very clear that you have never had the C mindset. That's a shame. There is a lot of great things that come from people that enjoy and want to build their own thing even though a similar thing already exists.

[lachlantula]

breaking: pre-alpha product is not in a polished state. let's critique the f out of it and its performance!!

[lcarsos]

You remember a month ago when we were talking about "don't drive by PR random repos trying to feel like you're contributing? Don't PR nit-picky README changes?" And now Theo's take is "look how innocent this little PR was, and the maintainers said no! Unbelievable!"

[pavelmares]

I am starting to think your research is usually few seconds. What do you mean they don't know html/css? If you look, the image is positioned absolutely. So overflow can be intended and the image is dark + text white. No issue there.

[PixPMusic]

"the thing that makes the most money does the most good" is so untrue I just spit my drink