There Has to Be a First Cause!

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[patience]

He so smart. Where can we gather knowledge like this brother. Allahuma barick

[fF-jbgs]

Nicely put, no shouting nice and calm chat!!

[furqaanmakba]

The listeners are so open to understanding, may Allah open their doors to success in this life and the next!

[endi]

The initial materialization of reality would simply cease to exist without a polarizing order to "do" or be the opposite, meaning it is impossible for order and chaos to manifest outside the boundaries of their individual or combined existence and/or experience.
it is ridiculously simple to understand that a thing cannot be without a command..
even the command needs an input from a more complex source
allowing and guiding and calculating paths for the command to reach the realm where it activates cells to multiply for example or atoms to form etc...
there MUST be something on top of it all
there must be a number 1 at the beginning of the chain
subhanAllah

[sharifahhawaalrifaei]

so hard to explain to some but so ez for muslim muslima.nothing before KUN FAYYA KUN. Alhamdulillah im muslima guided by Al Quran..

tis much only my dakwah at moment, hope u enjoy, you dont thn forever u enjoy hate. not my loss.
open yr hearth so you can open yr mind.

accept Islam, Islam exist. learn..study.

[specialsk]

Fallacious argument straight off the bat. We don’t “have to assume” that the universe has a materialist cause. We have no evidence that the supernatural exists, but that doesn’t mean that the supernatural can’t, or doesn’t exist. But until there is evidence that the supernatural exists, and evidence that it is the cause of the universe, then you are not justified in putting it forward as an explanation.

[shiishani]

Great argument, but I'd like to add that this is a scientific point of view, not an etheistic one.

[aryanphadke]

1. This is based on our observation of how things are created. We have not observed the creation of the Universe, because all other creation is only displacement of some parts of the Universe.
2. The first cause can be the last effect, thus preserving all energy and mass. No reason for God to exist.
3. If we just name the first cause as God, that's pretty useless, because there is no reason to think, that creation was purposeful or necessary.
4. There is no evidence that the first cause God can interfere with our lives or cares about them nor has any parameters of the Abrahamic God such as omnipotence etc.
5. No reason to think that the first cause God is of your specific religion.

[mansen]

Ah yes! We need causality. A thing that would happen without causality would indeed be an indication of something, maybe even a god. However, all that we know that happens in the universe is happening without a guvernor, it happens caused by natrual processes. Suddenly introducing a governor/creator is then not a likely explanation.

[dvalosaubisemilosa]

everything came to be from a thought of god, the gnostics explain it so beautifully

[osmanshah]

Muslim scholars have been making this argument for 1400 years but every atheist still thinks they come at us with a new argument unique to their intellect that nobody else ever thought of before.🤦

[TomGalonska]

The origin of our universe is indeed a great mystery, but how is putting a god at the start not a "god of the gaps" argument? If you say: A god doesn't need an explanation, then you need to explain, why the universe does. If you say, god is eternal and has existed forever, then you need to explain why the universe couldn't have existed forever.
Everything you ask about the universe, I will ask about your god.

[kamil]

That is logically valid, i agree. I just don't believe it was god, or at least God as humans imagine god to be.

[hubertkudyba]

according to this guy Universe works because of something supernatural. I call it law of physics . In VII century first muslims had no clue about aerodynamic so they said in Quran that birds fly because Gods will. How convenient . This way you can explain everything except existence of God.

[derrickhennessey]

Just asserting there needs to be a first cause or a prime mover is not evidence that that thing actually exists. Also, the infinite regress argument is not a problem because quantum mechanics violates causality. There is an experiment with polarized photons you should check out. All this is to say that from the perspective of a photon or an infinitely dense point event B can occur before event A.

[djaxx]

On skydivephil his channen he talks with worlds most famous scientists and they contradict what abbas says. So should we go with what abbas said or the experts?

[PaperMakersAdeludedbroad]

You don't "have to" think that everything has a material cause because most of us aren't thinking about where things come from. I would argue that there's more actual proof of evolution than there is of an all powerful mystical man in the sky judging people though lol.

All religion really is, is believing in fairy tales and throwing money away for nothing.

[gusxwazt]

A genius like Hawking said that the big bang doesn't mean that something's created from nothing. There was always reaching closer to nothing, but never become nothing. And questioning what happened before the big bang is irrelevant, just like questioning what's north of the north pole.

In short, he said that "this closer to nothing" is eternal 🤦‍♂️

He's just deflecting. He didn't want to know the answer 😂




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[Seeker-ecdd]

At this point it is not possible for anyone to say with assertion that if there are a first cause or a series of infinite causes (the universe always existed in some form).
The alternative that god created the universe is even worse at it cannot explain who created god. If god always existed why can't the universe always exist.

[xxxcarpfishing]

The true Answer is we don’t know, but you replace Don’t know with GOD 🙄