Surron & Talaria - Are they legal?? - I ask the CHP | Tyler Townsend Travel

Surron & Talaria - Are they legal?? - I ask the CHP | Tyler Townsend Travel
If you saw my unboxing and first impressions video of the Talaria XXX, you know that one of my concerns was whether this "E-Bike" is legal and if I would get in trouble for riding it on the streets. In this video, I go straight to the source and speak to Officer Martinez with the California Highway Patrol.

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[jonathanbrumfiel]

Last words are most important. DON'T GET CAUGHT

[allstangs]

I’ve been riding my Surron in town for a year and a half. Have gone past numerous bpd and sheriffs with no issue. But I also don’t go wheelie in the road and go crazy through traffic.

[TechReviewerish]

This guy looks like he writes a lot of impound tickets for these type of vehicles and he’s proud of it lol

[tylermckee]

Mostly comes down to common sense, if youre blowing through town at 50mph and riding like a dingbat youll prinably get stopped. If youre respectful, have some swlf control and commmon sense youll likely be fine.

[Sarahbuildsstepsequencers]

Standing beside a cop saying, “Don’t get caught” instead of, check your local laws, ride safe and obey the law. 😀

[steveaugustine]

Add pedals, mirrors, horn, head/tail lights and register by mail in CA as a moped. No inspection required. Cost about $25 and they mail you plates good indefinitely. You do have to have at least an m2 license to ride a moped in CA but a relatively easy way to make these higher powered "ebikes" more legal. Could theoretically still get ticketed or impounded if you are caught exceeding 30mph, but police will probably allow it if you are plated.

[ridelikebuu]

This is a joke. I find it hilarious when cops say it's not safe to ride or drive because it's modified meanwhile they have police vehicles with souped-up engines and flashed computers with stock suspension( which is very dangerous ) and drivers who have no idea what they are doing

[Bushmaster]

Asking a cop to explain the law is like asking a donkey to do algebra

[chesteryao]

28mph is too slow to be riding on the road, you will get honked at or road rage from drivers when there are no bike lanes. Ebikes should be able to keep up with the flow of traffic. 28mph restriction is stupid and will actually cause more danger to both riders and drivers. As more and more ebike riders are becoming popular. The speed is going to be an issue on the road when traffic wants to go 45mph and you are riding really slow at 28mph causing traffic jams and angry drivers.They will yell at you and tell you get the f*** off the road. Or worse swerve into you on purpose or cut you off.

[jasondundom]

Well i got a question now.. Some "Ebikes" come with controls that have a street and off road mode. So you can set the street mode for 750W and off road to max even if the "Ebike it's self has 4k watts. So as such would it be legal on the street in "street mode" while limited to only 750w and kept under 28mph ?

[wheats_beats]

so if you never tampered with it (cut the brown cable) and it only did 28 its perfectly legal?

[saah]

talked to a traffic cop in my town and so happy that he said he would never stopped me and write me a ticket ( i have a mx3)

[rafaelmoreno]

Pedal kit and 750w stickers problem solved. I doubt the cops would ever check how much Watts or amps you're pulling

[chadwickd]

in CA you can register it as a custom build, the DMV will give you a VIN then you take it to a trophy shop and have a vin plate made. it needs to be permanantly attach to the bike (rivets) take picture and send to the DMV.

[glenclarkchidley]

Never under any circumstances stop for the police!
Absolutely ridiculous to register/license with the government!
3 u-turns and the cops are out of the picture!

[btankful]

I have no problem registering a Surron or Talaria as a motorcyle, especially if you have one already, M endorsement, registered, inspected, etc. The problem is: Most of the dealers, including Cali, Utah, and the east coast are selling China imported bikes with no VIN number or some do and some don't. It may have a PIN # on the headtube and is functionally identical for many purposes, like insurance identity, and the dealer may even say it's good for everything, but it isn't a 17 digit VIN number that the DMV will allow for some states to register your eBike. You may get lucky and the clerk that day lets it be registered, but it is unlikely. But then some states will let you substitute an MCO (Manufactures Certificate of Origin) for the VIN.

So, you have a 1. Invoice, (Bill of Sale or receipt) 2. MCO 3. VIN and 4. Title Sellers (Chinese) can provide any mix of these (never all 4, usually 2). Your local Dealer can have any mix of these also (because they may not get an MCO or a VIN from their Chinese wholesaler). The local dealer may not have a Title for you because his state requires one of the certificates he didn't receive. Finally, each state has different rules for which of those 4 you need to register and plate your eBike. Not to mention whether you can get the Street legal lighting or not. Many of the overseas suppliers do, but only a few will have that factory lighting in your own country. (if you're handy you can get a lighting package .. if you have a major brand).

As buyers (given that you need or want it street legal) we are faced with these 4 items and there is a random mixture of them between 3 parties. The Chinese suppliers, your Dealer, and your DMV. That's the problem. If you buy direct from overseas yourself, for whatever reason, the same obstacles will apply. It seems to me out of the 4 items, not having a VIN is usually the hardest to overcome.

For instance, in my state, WV, I thought I had it pretty much together. I checked with the DMV and asked what they needed to register before I ordered. They said Receipt, Bike with VIN, and 'papers'. Great, I'm ordering overseas (to get the legal lights and horn), they said it had a VIN, and I'll have a Receipt when it arrives, plus I have the email confirmation and Invoice #. So I ordered. Just in case, I went back online on their chat and confirmed, "There's a VIN, right?", "Yes". "There's an Invoice with the bike, right", "Yes!" At this point I'm pretty much set, I thought. The DMV had said, "papers", a little vague, so I asked further, just in case. "There's a normal MCO, right?" (most overseas sellers have one). "Uh, no. Don't have MCO." Well, "There's a Title with it, of course, right", Uh, No!" Lucky, I said to him, I know I already ordered, but can you hold off shipping it for a few days so I can check again with the DMV? I'm just hearing now that I get a VIN on the bike and a Bill of sale when it arrives. That's it? Went early in the morning to the DMV and asked what exactly does "papers" mean? Now they said you need a VIN, receipt, and the Title. Mainly the Title. Uh oh. I tried everything. "Well, when I get my invoice, that's a bill of sale that has my name and the seller's on it and that's 'proof of purchase'. Then I will have the VIN on a newly manufactured item that is described in the invoice and can be entered into your system. Nope. "Need a Title". Well, "When I buy a car or a moto at a dealer, I just have a payment, I can call right there and get my insurance, they give me a Bill of Sale and some other papers. I come here with that and you register it and give me a paper tag until the plates come or give me the plates outright and a Title comes in the mail." "Nope, need a Title." I gave up. I went back home and asked for the guy from the seller who I talked to before and luckily he said, Yes I could cancel the order because it hadn't shipped. Whew. I'm going back to the DMV though and talk with a supervisor because I swear I've heard in other states there is a way, some way, to get a Title by applying with a certain DMV Title form and a Bill of sale and an MCO and get issued a Title for that vehicle. I'll find a seller that has an MCO and a VIN, or papers that can get you a Title if there isn't one already. So, for my state the Title was a must have. In another state it may be not having a stamped VIN on the frame that is the show stopper.


Is there a way to register a Surron or Talaria going through a process to be assigned a VIN number? You would have a bill of sale and it would be a new vehicle, so there must be a way. Or, If your state takes an MCO from the manufacturer and your Receipt, isn't that enough to apply for a Title (and then be accepted for state registration), but many of the Chinese sellers do not give an MCO and after the dealer in the US has taken a shipment of them without that MCO, you aren't getting one after that. States want a VIN or secondarily an MCO letter from the manufacturer, or in my case a Title, to register a motorcycle. Is there any way for these 50 mph E Bikes to get a state registration without a VIN or a Title? More of these will be sold every day. It would be nice to have the same procedure in every state.

[e]

Whether its legal or not is not the issue, its whether or not the cop decides to enforce the law. A fedex truck parked in a red fire lane blatantly breaking the law probably wont get a ticket even tho hes clearly breaking the law, some laws get enforced and some dont, if you're not being stupid you probably wont get pulled over, but always remember, the smaller the town, the more attention you will receive from the popo. Ive been riding my surron on san diego streets in front of hundreds of cops and right by the downtown police station for 4 years now and 6000 miles and have never been bothered, i also dont ride foolishly tho. A bored cop in a town of 4000 people tho might want to investigate your new toy but i dont have any experience on that note. Be safe boys and girls. By the way, ebike laws are stupid, hows a cop going to know what your top speed is if you were doing 15mph? And hows he going to know what the wattage is and so forth, imagine if you couldn't drive your sports car on the road because its capable of breaking all speed limits. Just because its capable of going over 70mph doesn't mean you will. But if your ebike is capable of going over 28 its automatically illegal, wow. Is the cop going to hop on your bike and test the top speed to verify lol. So dumb. How about pull the rider over for being dumb, not the bike for being an inanimate object subject to the riders inputs, much like a ferrari. FAFO.

[chesteryao]

You should of ask the officer if 28mph is safe speed. It is basically too fast for the bike lanes and too slow for traffic lanes. Ebikes should be able to keep up with the flow of traffic on the road. And if they want to ride on the bike lane then keep the speed down to 28mph. That would make a lot more sense. Who makes up these law? Also 750W motor law does not make sense either. It also depends on wheel size, tire size, hub driven, chain driven, dual motors, rider weight, bike weight, battery voltage, all plays a factor in power. You can have a 750watt motor go 28mph or 50mph by tuning changing controllers, sprockets, wheel sizes

[slingman]

I asked a Seattle police officer if it was ok to ride my e moto bike around the city. He looked at me and said "Its legal to smoke meth in public so i think you are ok to ride your e moto" i said i just wanted to make sure my bike doesn't get impounded. He said dont worry.

[jayjayrin]

I wanted to know, which class or speed or wattage would I need to go as fast as legally possible without needing to register it, I asl because I'm legally blind and i need to commute a long way in as little time as I legally can.