Too Powerful For Marvel Movies: The Phoenix Force/The White Phoenix

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"The Dark Phoenix Saga" is an extended X-Men storyline in the fictional Marvel Comics Universe, focusing on Jean Grey and the Phoenix Force. It was written by Chris Claremont with art by Dave Cockrum and John Byrne.

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[eluminaryxarrais]

The infinity gauntlet can't hold a candle to White Phoenix of the crown. The infinity gauntlet is limited to one universe the white Phoenix of the crown is a multi universal power.

[skarlettphoenixphoenix]

I am a huge Jean fan. The Phoenix just makes her more iconic. :D

[zimzim]

And you forgot to mention that the Phoenix is the nexus of all psionic energy

[Borderlines]

I really hope the MCU does Jean Grey's Phoenix story justice

[isaiahskidmore]

The phoenix IS ONE with Jean Grey.. She’s not just a host. The Phoenix force BELONGS to Jean Grey

[ingonyama]

6:02-6:53 This is what Jean means in X-Men Red when she says "The all-powerful cosmic firebird was holding me back."

Becoming a Phoenix is risky enough for someone's mental health. Look at AvX and the Phoenix Five for that, if Dark Phoenix wasn't proof enough. A White Phoenix of the Crown is a whole tier above even that, in terms of power and responsibility.

Now that she's free of it (last I checked, she and the Phoenix had parted amicably as of Phoenix: Resurrection), Jean Grey is free to explore the limits and push the boundaries of her own powers, without worrying about losing control of a primal force of creation and maybe eating another star or erasing another reality from existence.

"Too Powerful For The MCU" can mean a LOT of things, including "too powerful to have an interesting and/or dynamic character arc".

[Ulfhrim]

The reason why Jean and Hope are perfect hosts for the Phoenix Force is because they are red heads.

[CptMonstar]

Aren’t the Infinity Stones UNIVERSAL? If the the stones are universal and the Phoenix Force is MULTIVERSAL then it seems like the Phoenix Force wins.

[zimzim]

Phoenix is beyond time and space and cannot be altered by reality manipulation. The infinity gauntlet wont work against her

[mikamape]

The Phoenix is perfectly match for Jean Grey, that is why she was choosen, and for those who says that this and that is stronger than her should question their intelligence.

[tehmaimed]

I believe Jean Grey & Hope Summers being perfect hosts have something to do with their unlimited psychic abilities. PF is the nexus of all psionic energy in the multiverse; that's probably why it prefers telepaths as hosts to begin with. The fact that Jean is the pinnacle Omega level mutant psychic definitely has something to do with why the PF is so drawn to her in the first place. Not a lot of hosts can withstand the PF without being consumed; iirc Emma Frost was nearly destroyed by it when the PF possessed her. That's most likely due to the fact that her psychic abilities have limits - Jean's does not, and so she can withstand the full extent of the powers the PF grants.

[ShaunBrown]

I've always loved the phoenix saga. I bought the comics when I was young and STILL think the Phoenix is OP to the max!

[CAPappy]

To become a perfect host for the Phoenix you have to be a red head

[Royalbakester]

Phoniex force stomps infinity Gauntlet

[ludeawakening]

I personally don't see anyone with the IG coming close to WPotC. There is just a huge gap in power there. With the IG being multiversal because of it indirectly causing changes in the multiverse, WPotC could directly change the multiverse. The Phoenix Force is the psionic conduit of the multiverse in it's totality.

[denniscleary]

I hope they can do the Phoenix right in the MCU.

[rspoofy]

And kids still think Scarlet Witch can scratch the Phoenix Force 💀

[whitephoenixofthecrown]

Of course the Phoenix Force is too powerful for everything. It is the embodiment of creation and is the final fire that consumes it all and everything in between

White Phoenix is the sum totality of the Phoenix Force which makes it as powerful as Marvel itself. No being in Marvel is beyond it except TOAA.

[The_Keeper]

Well logically, the White Phoenix of the Crown would ne able to beat anyone using the Infinity stones.
Infinity Stones are 1 set pr. universe.
The Phoenix force is 1 for the entire multiverse.

It is basically comparing a candle to a sun - No contest.

[joshualogan]

I think a video on the differences between hosts would be interesting. Especially the Phoenix 5 vs Jean Grey. Scott especially is an interesting case to me because he was able to control things on a level we never saw Jean do, he manipulated seasons, created a virtual Utopian world and was able to fight the totality of the X-men and the Avengers in the physical realm while having dinner with Emma in his head.

Scott is a really interesting host because even after he lost the force, he sought out the egg and re-merged with it and the relationship he had seemed much different than that of Jeans. Jean's felt like she existed and the Phoenix existed at the same time in one vessel. Scott felt like he absorbed the Phoenix or completely muted it's conscious. His persona was dominating, almost. I don't know, would be a really interesting dive, IMO.