What Is Your Basis For Atheism? | Nick - NY | Truth Wanted 03.23

Truth Wanted 03.23 for July 10, 2020 with ObjectivelyDan and Susan & Nathaniel

SHOW TIME-STAMPS

00:00 Intro
01:07 Intro to Divine Disbelief
24:33 Nick-NY | What is your basis for Atheism?
45:26 Macolm-CA | Languages were influenced by a snake species?
1:02:11 Steph-TX | Solipsism, virtual godhood, and consent.
1:12:35 Justin-VA | Maybe the bible started as a self help book
1:25:14 Kevin-NY | Denominations are wrong and apocryphal books.

SHOW NOTES

Good evening Truth Seekers! Today is ObjectivelyDan joined by two guests, Divine Disbelief (Susan and Nathaniel). They have a YouTube channel regarding secular news, politics, and global issues and how it affects the community as a whole.

Let's move on to the callers for tonight! First up, Nick in NY. He asks what is your rational basis for atheism. Atheism is just the lack of belief in god/gods. Nick seems to assert god is required to be able to verify evidence.

Next up we have repeat caller Malcom, in CA. He is calling about languages being influenced by an eel or snake species. Uhhh… Dan pipes up to indicate this is a topic they’ve talked about before and languages are just indicators of something else. It doesn’t prove anything.

Next we have Steph, from TX. She is calling to talk about solipsism, virtual god-hood and consent. Steph defines virtual god as a thinking agent with complete control over your reality. How does virtual godhood tie into solipsism? If we are in the matrix, how can we prove it? Who knows.

Justin from VA is our next caller. He is calling to talk about this path out of Christianity. He found the origin story of Christianity not quite right and looked into other religions. Maybe the bible was started as a self help book. Dan recommends anyone look more into their religion.

Kevin in NY is our last caller tonight. He is calling in as a christian that believes christian denominations are wrong. He goes on to say theological framework is based on an incorrect assumption that apocryphal books are inferior to the canonical books, specifically the Book of Enoch. Great conversation on the bible and the church on this one!




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[somepublic]

I like how you can literally hear him turning pages on his flow chart.

[James-yivk]

I love presupps. The more people use this, the more people see how christianity is on its last string of existence.

[gerrye]

"My definition for god is..." does not include anything from the biblical description of Yahweh.
"Do you have evidence that Jesus rose from the dead?" Avoids that question like the plague

[notatheist]

This is one of Gary Milne’s acolytes. Yes, Gary has followers. This guy precisely duplicates Gary’s presup script, and it’s pathetic, just like Gary.

[parsivalshorse]

Pressup is the graveyard of apologetics. The sad, final last stand.

[rosiemyers]

He wasn’t listening. He was simply waiting to talk. This is, without question, a student of DD.

[Dan-ysnk]

Basically, Nick called in with a script. I heard him flip through pages between 5:40 to 5:54. You didn't follow his script. Nick lashed out in anger with false accusations about your character because you didn't follow what he wanted you to follow. Nick is dishonest and he does not care about the truth. Nick has no intention of having an honest conversation.

[IllustriousCrocoduck]

I am glad that Dan called him out on the script and not actually listening to them.

[hempracer]

5:42 you can hear the caller turning a page in DD's Dummy's Guide to Proving a Deity. LMAO

[JeffreyBoser]

Funny how Darth's scriptkiddies sound so much like him.

[oxidize]

This is just DD without his voice modulator. You know he messes with the audio to make himself sound deeper and louder and more authoritative. This is his real voice most likely.

[AussieNaturalist]

ALL presupposition arguments necessarily rely on Special Pleading, so sorry, Nick, but your argument is invalid. Please try again without relying on a logical fallacy, or deflecting, ducking, dodging, etc, etc, etc....

[roqsteady]

We don't ground our understanding of the world in some ultimate truth, because the truth is not something we can know right off the bat without investigation and we never can be sure of anything with absulte certainty. Rather, we ground our beliefs in experience and then the mental models we construct to organise those experiences into a network of supporting ideas. This is a combination of foundationalism and coherentism (sometimes called foundherentism, but it is a mouthful) that many philosophers from Russell onwards have found better address the problems than either foundationism or coherentism do on their own. In any case it is a lot more sensible than the presuppositional run around.

[shanewilson]

I love that OD nailed DD on the fatally circular reasoning he was using.

[MusicGunn]

The problem with these DD clones is that they all become insulting when you don't follow their script. EVERY SINGLE TIME. It is the polar opposite of Street Epistemology.

[andybeans]

I wonder if DD could win an argument if he tried letting his mouth do the talking for once?

[khill]

"You're presupposing that any evidence of any kind is a viable concept in your worldview."
The fact that another human uttered this, with any earnestness at all, is mind-boggling. I'm not sure whether this is a deficiency of character, reason, education, or sanity...but either way, his stats sheets are missing a few pages.

[hank_says]

Not only is this guy marinating DD’s tubesteak, he’s even mimicking his nose-voice and shitty attitude. Hell, it could be DD himself, talking through a handkerchief.

[Mauricio_Magus]

When I meet a Presup, I just laugh at them.

[brianshoes]

I love it when you can hear the pages of the literal script turning.