Skyrim - Talos is a FRAUD - Elder Scrolls Lore

What if I told you that the legendary emperor, Tiber Septim, wasn't even Dragonborn, and that he betrayed his king to usurp the Ruby Throne?

Timestamps:

0:00 - Intro
3:11 - Talos the Hero
4:54 - Assassin!
7:08 - Talos' Origins
8:56 - Vivec's Troubling Vision
10:46 - Talos' True Identity
13:02 - The Truth of Cuhlecain's Assassination
14:40 - Tiber Septim Conquers Tamriel
17:36 - Talos Betrays Himself?
19:45 - How Talos Became a God

[Im-Not-a-Dog]

A few Elves become Gods: That Ok.
A handful of Khajiit become Gods: Yeah thats cool.
1 Human becomes a God: Thalmor try to undo existence.

[Michael-bnoi]

"What is a man? A miserable pile of secrets."
Truly the God of Man

[snetworkproductions]

Thalmor: "Worshipping Talos is heresy!!"
Local Nord: "Oh, yeah? Touch his statue and see what happens, elf!"
Thalmor: *Touches Talos' statue, *
Local Nord: *"HA! Same tingley feeling as the other ones!! TAKE THAT!! HA!!"*
Thalmor: *Has internal crisis*

[Fuzzycuffsqt]

You're telling me that a Breton who ruled Cyrodiil just got away with saying "How do you do, fellow Nords" and was revered as the god of mankind for 700 years?

I can only hope this sort of Speechcraft check is available in TES6

[Kardel_VA]

Drewmora: *Questions Talos's legitimacy.

Nord Bros: "I BEG YOUR FUCKIN PARDON?!?!"

[Vlugazoide]

The coolest aspect of Talos as a Shezzarine becoming a continuation of Lorkhan is the maintenance of the duality of a God-King (Talos Stormcrown/Shor) and a scheming snake (Hjalti/Lorkhan)

[UnswimmingFishYT]

There's another theory that Talos the deity is actually a combined oversoul entity formed from Tiber, Zurin and Ysmir. This varies slightly in how it happens, but the general idea is that some sort of magic during the miracle of peace caused it. This theory assumes that Halti is the same man as Tiber, and that he did actually rename himself, but Ysmir enable shouting, and Zurin's powerful magic was added in at the end, with the mantella being used to fuse the underking to the emperor. This makes sense to me, as the story of Tiber becoming emperor still works, and nothing confirmable is contradicted, but with a combination of man, powerful shouting aspect of Shor and skilled wizard, you would have something easily comparable to an Aedra, or even some Daedric princes. The mantella is known to hold souls, but with the underking, it seems to actually be able to fuse them, which would totally explain Talos, and why Tiber has no known death.

[richarddeaton]

I think M'iaq is the true Emperor of Tamriel and he was on vacation when Talos took over 😁

[astercat]

It’s also possible that Talos was the subject of a Dragon Break, merging Hjalti Earlybeard, Talos of Atmora, and Wulfharth into the same being. (For those who don’t know, a Dragon Break is a plot device that Bethesda uses to justify multiple conflicting scenarios throughout Tamrielic history by allowing multiple timelines to be canon. One example is that during the Battle of Red Mountain Nerevar died canonically in at least two different places, being killed by the Tribunal before they used the tools of Kagronak to become gods, and dying when he and the Tribunal confronted Dagoth Ur for trying to use the Heart of Lorkhan. It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, but that’s the Elder Scrolls for you.)

[GlorifiedGremlin]

The oblivion music was a nice touch, it's been ages since I've heard that comforting gentle song. Brings me right back to being a little boy snuggled up under some blankets on the couch playing oblivion all day

[texo]

One, Kulekain is such a badass name. Two, your wordplay is immensely immaculate.

[ssilent]

Cry all you want, you can’t un-ascend an ascended

[narosedraconis]

Ah "The Three who become One" theory.
Is probably one of my favorite speculations, regarding "Talos Storm-Crown"
Loved your reexamination of it. Keep up the awesome work.

[RobCotton]

I never realised drew had his own channel I've been missing him on fudgemuppet then I did little digging & I'm glad to find this channel & now I've got loads to watch thankyou Drew 🙂

[NoxSmoulder]

I still back Lorkhan/Shor/Talos against Auriel whatever he/they may have done. One asserts that existence and creation has intrinsic beauty and that the dream can be transcended, while the other wants go back to an eternal state of immaterial stasis.

[zogkuma]

It would be a brilliant idea if the Elder Scrolls 6 released the truth about Talos as well as the Thalmor trying to rip apart the fabric of Mundus. Those two plots would go well hand in hand I think.

[Xolcm]

Talos and Vivec really are two sides of the same coin with how similar their stories are.

[VLarraechea]

To think we were having a lore discussion regarding Tiber Septim and the necessity of Dragonborn status for an Emperor to be deigned legitimate, right as this video launched.

Loved listening to it all, Drew, thank you!

[orolyato]

His armor working in Martin's ritual. That is full confirmation he is a god.

[BlameBarky]

This content is why I still love the game. Without content and creators like this, I don’t know that the game would have still been so popular. You have such a gift, Drew. Thank you for all of what you do!