I am VERY Concerned About Throne & Liberty

For as much as I want Throne & Liberty to work out, i am very concerned and for as good as some aspects of the game may be, things are looking mighty grim for this new MMO. What's going on with Throne & Liberty, and does it have any hope?

[kairoocb]

“…Your group of 5 dads who like grinding MMO’s on the weekends…”

Whoa, he really knows his audience! I feel seen 😋

[hightierplayers]

I hate to be this guy, but the second we knew the developer.... we know this outcome.

NOBODY should be surprised by this at all.

[MikeLinehan]

I'm so concerned I'm not even going to bother.

[mr.expletive]

"Korean" and "NCsoft" was all I needed to hear.

[louieberg]

Encouraged by Mammon, they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again.

[thefrozenpanda]

My favorite part of any MMO, whether in the new player rush new or revisiting years later, is always the leveling. At this point in my life, I have zero desire to be part of organized raiding and/or large scale PVP. I just want to have a good time existing in and exploring a virtual world. Not treat it like a second job.

Sadly, with the exception of a few games, horizontal progression such as professions and other alt systems seem to be largely ignored or require mats that can only be acquired by, you guessed it, raiding and large scale PVP.

It is what it is though. I have found plenty of solace in SP and coop games. So, its not that big of a deal. Its just sad to see a genre with so much promise churn out nickel and dime'ing theme parks non-stop.

[Nomix]

This MMO cycle over the last 5 years feels like a fever dream

[MMOLater]

This video is out dated. TL's this condition was 4 month ago.
TL in June state
#1 - 0 bots literally 0
#2 Even with ultra max geared P2w player cant kill 1vs10 lol. Regular 2 players can shit out 1 full max geared p2w player.
#3 You cant p2w skill enchants
#4 There added T2 Dungeons which requires you to actually play.
#5 changed the guild system.
#6 that blessing is subscription type of item around 8$ for 21 days .

Man you need to renew the information + videos used as background .

[BasedChadman]

Oh no! Who could have seen this coming?

[Complication]

A Korean mmo being completely pay to win?! NO WAY!? Who would have ever seen this coming?!

[EliEli.MMOPVP]

Just to correct some misinformation in this video. The game definitely has P2W aspects. It's the same as pretty much all MMOs on the market where you can swipe for the market currency from G2G. So it's either you buy the currency from the game or you use G2G similar to most MMOs out atm. Not saying this is good, just making this clarification.

Another thing, the gems you can buy from auction does not mean you get more skill books. The other material you need to craft the books are only obtainable through events in-game which you can't swipe for and have to participate in youself. So no one swipes for gems to make skill books cus you get 100s everyday just from participating in events. It's pretty dumb to swipe for that.

When it comes to dungeon tokens, you can get 100s as well just from in-game free content which is opening chests on Sara island during the night. You can get anywhere from 300-900+ (1000s if you get them all with a small group) every night cycle which is every 2 hours. So lots of opportunities to get a ton of additional dungeon tokens.

As someone who has been free to play, and have 10-15 friends in my guild who are also all free to play. We're all top 100 PvP rankings on the servers we played on that have 1000s of concurrent players. So this goes to show you don't have to swipe to compete at all. I've personally sold items from dungeons to make over 20, 000 lucent in-game as well. Not much effort to do this, I just sold what I got from dungeons to buy what I needed to gear.

So I hope this helps clarify some of the misinformation from this content creator who seems to be speaking from not his own personal experience.

One last thing, there is a really cool AI bot detector in the form of a gigantic skeletal knight that kills botters in-game and bans them after three deaths. It can use improvements as bot/cheat programs evolve, but NC has been doing well in improving the AI detector and keeps us updated. They're very good with communicating with the player base and care about our feedback, which is why they've made a lot of fast and big changes since the game launched.

[Kkvta]

For me, MMO’s in general are dead. I’ll probably never play one again, but have great memories from them. Singleplayer buy to own is where its at.

[pillowk]

Back in the day when you play MMO as stress reliever, play with your own phase, just sitting on a nice view while chatting with your friends without worry that you'll be left behind, trying multiple characters that fits your game play without worry being left behind.... but now it looks like its your second jobs and chores, it force you to finish your dailies, dungeons etc. etc. or else you will left behind it gives you more stress. More like a RAT Race than a game.

[GeorgiIorgov]

As someone that followed TL from the start and I'm loving the game I can say that's the best and honest review out there. NC need to listen or it will flop to west also with the p2w. Everyone on west its fine with the sub fees and cosmetics on a free-to-play game but when it comes to p2w/progress nah(personally would love to see TL on a buy to play as 20-50 euro packs +sub fee for/and cosmetics. I also give that price and hope people can reflect on my next words = ""pax-day for example its just again greedy practice again for a half-assed game released as d4 and a lot more with only 1 feature working and a TL its a fully designed game(as features) and deserve more but still i give that low amount imagine how i price the other 2 :D"". About that bot stuff that was kinda of addressed to a certain point by NC but Force forgot to mention I guess about it(afcourse more to be desired on that front but was a good start). Sorry for long massage but i feel involved at TL story and frustrated at all AAA greedy practices at games today and had to give an opinion.

[TEMPORARILYAWESOME]

What this dude is saying is he has not played the game and is just yapping about what other people are saying. Actual stupid take.
Pay2win is not a big issue. It's too expensive to gain a lasting advantage and many free2play people are just as geared with only slightly more effort.

[Otazihs]

Shocked I say, shocked! Who would've thought, heavy monetization in a korean mmo... Let it flop, people don't want this kind of crap crammed into their games. When they learn their lesson and actually start listening to their customers they'll get a successful game.

[BDOGreatSaiyanMan]

One of the worst feeling combat systems ever. Its clunky, janky, cumbersome and feels like it belongs back in 2001.
This game feels like it was originally intended to be a mobile / gacha game that was redesigned mid way through to be a MMORPG...
The graphics, whilst nice, certainly are not next gen and something like those of Archeage released in 2013.
I gave it a shot but couldn't get past 6 hours worth of play.. Horrible and bitterly disappointing.. I expect this game to DIE as fast, if not faster, than Bless Online.

[nsmna]

TL is destined for a big flop. Leveling and exploring the world was interesting at first, mainly due to the gorgeous graphics, but the endgame was boring as hell, even as a member of a major guild. The game's main focus is large-scale PvP, which becomes tedious very quickly. The story is nonexistent, the combat is mediocre, the game is pay-to-win, and there's a lack of gear visual variety. Discord coordination is mandatory for large-scale PvP and PvE, hardcore guilds dominate the servers, and there's a lack of professions or any other forms of horizontal progression.

[blacklord]

so a game very focused on guilds and group activities but at the same time super p2w, reminds me of lost ark guild wars dominated by whale guilds except that in throne and liberty it's actually much worse since guilds have much more rewards, honestly this is just sad these companies althought they have so so talented developers and amazing designers, they always become stupid and make their games p2w instead of putting all this effort into cosmetics, skins, they never learn from companies like riot that literally makes billions just from cosmetics

[ihadnoideathatgoogleallowe]

This is why no other MMORPGs can interest me besides Guild Wars 2. GW2 Is just awesome due to the fact that it has no gear grind. Play now, get gears, and even you take a break for years, you can come back just as strong and relevant as the day you left.