Michael Brown says this! I'm in shock!

Michael Brown has some great teachings but I'm shocked that someone with his education would teach such a thing!

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[Rapunzel]

Hi Sean, can you please respond to the few commenters who disagree with you on the issue of Judas performing miracles? Is there any text that says he didn't? Can a person be stealing the church money and still preach, teach, perform a miracle, sing in the choir, pray for the sick etc?

[graceandtruth]

“You can be as straight as a gun barrel theologically—and be as empty as one spiritually.” —A.W. Tozer

[randysandford]

First Michael Brown gives us several possible renderings based on what some other people have said. Nothing wrong with that! And yes, Jesus sent out the twelve with authority for the purpose of casting out demons etc. but no where does it say that they DIDN'T perform miracles in His name. We can assume that they did at some point as we read in Mark 6:12-13 though it does not specifically name those who did and those who didn't. Your problem is that you may know a little Greek but you have no understanding of the Jewish thinking behind what you are reading. I side with Michael Brown.

[jimwall]

Dr. Brown is claiming here that the phrase is being used as an idiom. The definition of an idiom is "a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words'. To refute his claim by giving the definition of of each word doesn't work. All you have done is give the meaning of the phrase if it is not an idiom. You have offered no reasons for believing it is not an idiom. It's like telling us that break a leg in the theatrical world means literally breaking a leg by giving the dictionary definition of 'break' and 'leg'. The only way to discover if a phrase is used idiomatically in an ancient culture is to discover this usage in the writings of that culture. You asked where Dr. Brown got this interpretation. He tells us in the video. He has seen this phrase used this way in the 1st century Jewish writings. In his books, Dr. Brown quotes extensively from Jewish writings from many different eras. He has studied these things extensively because he is deeply involved in Jewish evangelism and apologetics. You raise questions about his education . When I consider your response and his books it strikes me that you might need to study more in these areas before posting such a video. Proverb 18:13 seems to have some application here. "If one gives an answer before he hears, it is his folly and his shame.' On another note, it is common practice to give different possible interpretations of a passage and give the one you accept. While it is true that a passage has one meaning, there are usually different interpretations of a passage. Dr. Brown tells us which interpretation his thinks is best and tells us briefly a reason for his view so I don't see how he is hiding behind anything. A question answer session doesn't afford the time to do a long detailed exposition of a passage.

[MAMoreno]

This is an inadequate refutation of Brown's argument. Idioms do not mean what they literally say, and the Bible is full of Semitic idioms. The original hearers of the Sermon on the Mount would understand common turns of phrase, so Jesus would have no reason to avoid such ways of expressing his point to them. If you wanted to demonstrate that Brown cannot be right about the verse, you would have to argue that there's insufficient evidence that Jews in the early decades of the first century used the words "I never knew you" as an idiomatic statement of excommunication. (And who knows? You might have luck on that front.) Defining the Greek words in the text proves nothing if the intended meaning comes from the phrase as a whole and not from the individual words within the phrase.

[MonLeeMane]

I like your videos, but I think you went too far in this one... you’re trying to say that Brown is wrong by “presuming” that Judas too might have performed miracles, yet your own eisegesis says that Judas didn’t in fact perform miracles. But scripture does not specifically say he didn’t either.

I think Brown is safer than you. He presumed, which means he is considering the probability that scripture presents. You are simply dismissing it with certainty.

Also, there still is the possibility that people who once knew Jesus and did great things in his name will walk away from the faith. And scripture does make this clear.

Try to remember why you’re doing this so you don’t go on a blind witch hunt, or that you do it properly. Also, try to focus on salvific topics as you usually do.

Not everything is clear, and where it isn’t, we would do well to “consider” them as we see fit, not necessarily draw up conclusions for or against.

[ThePlantoparadise]

I think what's more interesting is that in that passage, the defense the people God never knew give when God says he doesn't know them shows their hearts. Instead of giving faith in Christ as their defense and justification, they rely on a gospel of miracles, signs and wonders for their justification. Which is part of what Bethel teaches. We can see their defense shows that they are relying on their own righteousness and what they did, rather than what Christ did for them.

[jaybees]

1. Brown does say presumably Judas did the healing and everything else. 2. Luke 10:8 says that when they returned they told Jesus everything they had done, so it's safe to presume that Judas did, in fact, perform miracles during that time.

[jimwall]

You say the Word never says Judas did miracles. So who is the 'they' in Mark 6:12-13. "So they went out and proclaimed that people should repent. And they cast out many demons and anointed with oil many who were sick and healed them.' In the context it can only refer to 'the twelve' in Mark 6:7. Judas was one of the twelve. In order to believe that Judas didn't do any of these things I would have to add the phrase 'except Judas.' Isn't adding this phrase eisegesis? Luke 9:6 also says 'they went through the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere. Again in the context the 'they' refers to 'the twelve' in 9:1. Normal reading of these texts would indicate that Judas did the same things the other 11 did because he was one of the twelve. You might say that it never says specifically that Judas did miracles. True. But there are no specific statements in the gospels about the other 11 either (there are in Acts about Peter). I would guess you have no problem saying that the other 11 cast out demons and healed people. But maybe you do.

[liftyohands]

Although I don’t agree with his view on this scripture, I do think the point about Judas is valid. Since Christ gave them authority to cast out demons and heal, then sent them out to do so, and they returned rejoicing that those things did occur, we can biblically conclude that Judas more than likely cast out demons and heal. . . Also, the scripture in Hebrews 6:4-6 talks about those who have tasted of the heavenly gifting, so there are some who will exercise the power of God, yet not make it. Or what are your thoughts. . ?

[jonathanjenkins]

I think you should call into his daily show and discuss it with him

[martinnyirenda]

I think you approached this question with a preconception. You had a preconceived idea of what you expected and since Brown did not ran along with your pet view, you were not impressed.
It seems Brown is a Teacher, from how he is explaining his understanding. I am a Bible Teacher and it is normal practice, never taught at Bible School, to give different views of what is said or taught on a subject. To hold him guilty for approaching it in a round about matter is unfair. It happens with all Teachers, at least the ones I know.
Did you take time to verify if the view of First Century has credibility or did you just dismiss it because you did not think it made any sense? One of the greatest problems with modern day Christianity is that we seek to understand the scriptures according to our 21st century understanding forgetting that the scriptures are essentially 1st century documents that require that background understanding to correctly interpret and apply them to our lives. Take out the background understanding and you will come up with all kinds of weird doctrines.

[ronneff]

The narrator is wrong on a couple instances. He says that nowhere does it say that Judas does miracles. This is true but the bible doesn't say that every apostle did miracles either. We can assume Judas did because of the verse that Michael Brown is quoting. Brown wasn't eisogeting anything, he was making a deduction based on what Jesus stated. Second, if a person who looked up the word "Kill" but was not familiar with the way we use words they would be confused by the saying "My feet are killing me." Knowing definitions is important but not knowing how a culture uses words is detrimental. Michael Brown simply gave the 1st century context for how the phrase "I never knew you" was used in 1st century Israel but because the narrator is ignorant of this he thinks that simply knowing the Greek is sufficient. Thirdly, Brown did not say that the second interpretation is the best way but rather it is the more logical way BECAUSE of the historical context and how they used words. The narrator is simply ignorant of how 1st century Jews spoke in Israel and basing his conclusions based on a Greek dictionary.

[TravelBA]

Does Jesus know you Sean?
Why would you say Todd White is someone that Jesus never knew? "Pointing finger" without even explaining clearly, sounds to me more like "malicious talk"... Causing division in the body of Christ and throwing dirt over people's names?
I don't read Jesus, nor the disciples behaving like this, who are you?

[edwardwicks]

I always thought that Judas did miracles, signs and wonders right along with the other disciples. Scripture doesn't indicate who did and who didn't do miracles. It is your presumption that Judas didn't. I always thought that he did. That would indicate why the other disciples that he was just as sincere as they were. I agree with Dr. Michael Brown's answer.

[ahall]

Okay. I have to disagree with you on this one. Dr Michael Brown has explained this verse well. Read the context of the verse…

[Eric_Rebron]

Michael Brown seems to have some sort of bizarre addiction to strongly defending the doctrine that you can lose your salvation. Such a weird hill to die on, even making the verse saying "I never knew you" to be about people who lost salvation is insane

[M.GBueno]

Makes sense what Dr. Brown says, because God knows every single one of us in the flesh, but in the spiritual. if a person is not born again in the spirit, he is unknown. So those who don't know God, but pretend to know God, but were never born again or a new creature in God are excommunicated at this event. I think it makes sense.

[cynthiaerickson]

You are wrong, Christ gave power to all 12 disciples to heal sick, cast out demons, Judas being one of them.many pastors today claim power from God to do many things but their hearts are evil, like the Pharisees.

[danielholmes]

I have always interpreted this passage to mean that it is possible for those who do not truly follow Jesus to perform miracles in his name (e.g. many faith healers). This would explain why someone could be healed by the name of Christ and by means of their own faith whether the person "performing" the miracle is truly a follower of Christ or or not. This would also deal with the fact that people do experience miracles in the name of Jesus through men who, evidently, don't have much going for them in the department of holiness. Futher, it would permit the notion that Judas could have performed miracles like all the rest of them irrespective of his own rebellion. While the Bible is silent on whether Judas performed miracles, it would be rather conspicuous if he was the only one who did not.