3. Holy Holy Holy - Closer Look - Imad Awde

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[janosterud]

Thanks for the verses and thoughts Blessings

[BEYFILMS]

and also repetition of words signifies the magnitude of a thing or a being, in referring to this subject, holy holy holy refers to the greatness and holiness of God, because He is the Almighty God.

[DonjohnsonBG]

Wow! Pastor Bohr read Isaiah 6:3 he clearly says “full of HIS glory” in the next breath says holy holy holy is referring to three persons of the Godhead. This Pastor once believed in the Father and Son truth now he added an additional person. What amazes me is those who believe in the Trinity read verses in the Bible having three in mind when the verse clearly says the opposite, like this verse it’s referring to one individual using the word “HIS” yet he sees three

[publydesign]

I Saw a video the Pastor said you must believe the trinity by Faith, I texted him with Romans 10 v 17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. I concluded to say to him if you can prove it according the word of God. If you can prove it. It is not worth to believe. I trust the word of God but not man.

[springflowerblosomnorris]

The biggest problem we have today is: People are not willing to REST in scriptures.

These people are insulting God by ADDING words to the scriptures.

[gordo]

The early pioneer's taught against a trinity now they are teaching for it, Ellen White said only to will be exalted in heaven, there is no mention of a third person,

[ignaciochavez]

Is pastor Bohr really working for the Lord? If he's deceiving people I don't think he's working for the Lord but against:
He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.
Matthew 12:30

[grwaitemd]

These false teachers do not have a "plain saith the LORD" in support of their doctrine so they have misconstrue scriptures.

[hcotterell]

I am ( singular) Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord ( One Lord),
which was ...jehovah ...Old testament
Which is...Jesus..new testament
which is to come, ..the Almighty.. The spirit speaks
ONE God, ONE spirit throughout TIME.
Revelation 1:8

[norallaniguez]

Even the very elect will be deceived!
The Bible interprets itself’
Isa 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
(Is the Lord of hosts!) how many? Sorry pastor Bohr but the verse didn’t say Lords!
The whole earth is full of His glory! His denotes 1 (one)! So please refrain from teaching error.
Beware of false teachers!!

[rogermetzger]

My dad’s mother my (grandmother) was a papist when he was born. She sent dad to catechism classes when he was a boy. Dad’s father (my grandfather) was Lutheran when dad was born. He read the German translation of the Bible aloud to the whole family every day. My grandfather was the caretaker of the Hebrew cemetery in Pittsburgh, Pa. He was paid very little money but one of his benefits as caretaker was the use of a three-room house and space for a large garden on the cemetery grounds. The whole family - Dad, his two brothers and their parents - learned quite a bit about the religious beliefs and the practices of the Hebrews who owned the cemetery.

The whole family attended SdA evangelistic meetings for a year in the 1920s. My grandfather was the last of the five to become a voting member of the SdA organization.

Dad’s older brother got a degree in music and taught at EMC (Emmanuel Missionary College - now Andrews University) in the ‘30s and ‘40s. Dad attended an SdA college in Illinois - Broadview College - for one year.

My maternal grandmother was a 2nd or 3rd-generation adventist.

My parents met when my mother was a student at EMC and Dad went there to visit his brother, the music teacher.

In addition to what our parents taught my siblings and me about the papacy, Martin Luther, the traditions of Judaism and the history of the advent movement, I have had extensive conversations with several methodists and LdS and less extensive conversations with baptists and Nazarenes (I have helped with the music for services of both of those denominations) unitarians, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Muslims, Buddhists and people who called themselves “atheists”. Over the last several decades, several people whose first contact with adventists was with me or members of my family have joined the SdA organization but that was a BYPRODUCT of our evagelistic work - never the goal. The goal has been to encourage people to trust the Lord and his written word.

There persists among adventists the notion that there is more than one “doctrine of the Trinity”: a) The doctrine that the God of the Bible manifests himself in three different ways - much as H2O can be observed as ice, water or steam and b) The doctrine that the God of the Bible is one being who is three persons AND that such men as James White, Joshua V. Himes, Joseph Bates and J.N. Loughborough objected to the “three manifestations” version of “the doctrine of the Trinity” because they wanted to emphasize the human nature of Jesus and they thought the “three manifestations” explanation detracted from that emphasis.

I can be specific about some of the conversations I’ve had with a variety of people as listed above but, in all of those conversations, I have never met someone who considered himself a Trinitarian and who used the three manifestations of water as an analogy for the God of the Bible! I’ve heard that analogy several times - but by unitarians, most of whom were members of Unitarian churches.

Did White, Himes, Bates and Loughborough completely fail to realize that Greek Orthodox, Lutherans, presbyterians, Anglicans, baptists, methodists and even papists did NOT deny the human nature of Jesus? Or did those second adventists - in their enthusiasm for emphasizing the human nature of Jesus (and perhaps unintentionally) - misrepresent those other Christians’ understanding of the nature of God?

A treble note in a piano is composed of three strings. Piano tuners sometimes refer to tuning the other two strings to the one that has already been tuned as “tuning the triunissons”. If I refer to that note as “triune” would you accuse me of teaching that 1+1+1=1? Or can the use of the word “triune” to describe a treble note on a piano be understood to mean that the three strings of one unison comprise only one note?

Now I’ll admit that, sometimes, a certain amount of confusion can result from the language people use to discuss this subject.

Is the God of the Bible a personal God? That is, Does he relate to us personally? (In contrast to the Deistic understeanding of God as a supreme being and creator of the universe who is not involved in human affairs.) Sometimes people intend to mean that the God of the Bible is a personal God but say, “God is a person”.

Sometimes people don’t intend to imply that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three gods but they use the word “they” when referring to any two or all three. Would it be better to refer to Father, Son and Holy Spirit as “he”?

Or, sometimes, people who think of God as triune will describe Father, Son and Holy Spirit as “separate” or “distinct”. They don’t intend to sound like polytheists but the words “separate” or “distinct”, when used in that context, can give that impression.

The word, “Trinity”, emphasises the threeness of God. Given that the word, “triune”, emphasises both the threeness and the oneness of God and given that the oneness of God is at least as important as his threeness, is there any good reason (other than tradition) for using the word “Trinity” at all? Given the history of White, Himes, Bates and Loughborough arguing against their misunderstanding of “the doctrine of the Trinity”, is there any justifiable reason for triunitairan adventists to use the word, “Trinity”?

Sometimes, people who intend to mean that Jesus is divine will say, Jesus is God.” That statement is sometimes understood to mean that Jesus is the same person as his heavenly Father.

I understand the prophet, Isaiah, and the apostle, John, as referring to Jesus as God (Isaiah 9:6 & John 1:1). At the same time, if we mean to convey that Jesus is divine (and if we know that saying he is God is likely to be misunderstood), why not say he is divine? Would it be better for the people to whom we are speaking to discover for themselves that Isaiah and John referred to him as God? (And, we might add, that calling him God doesn’t mean that Isaiah or John considered him to be any less than fully human!)

I have an acquaintance who is a recently-retired methodist minister. I think if we were to spend much time together, we would consider each other friends. I didn’t realize until this year that when that minister uses the phrase, “Almighty God”, he is referring to the heavenly Father of Jesus. When he uses the word, “God”, he intends to be understood as referring to the triune God.

I haven’t found the reference but I’ve been told that Ellen White once said or wrote that Jesus is not “Almighty God”. Given that she was raised methodist (and especially in light of some statements in Desire of Ages), I now realize that she was stating (clearly enough for methodists) that Jesus and his heavenly Father are not the same person.

Which brings us to the contrast between the words “being” and “person”. The God of the Bible is one (absolutely one) being - by which I mean that his existence is original, unborrowed, underived. He had no beginning and will have no end. When triunitarians say, “Jesus is a person”, we mean it in the same sense that John meant when he wrote that the Word was “with God” in the beginning. I’m not a Greek scholar but I’m told that the Greek word John used in John 1:1 precludes the concept of a person having a “relationship” with himself.

I suppose people will continue to argue for their preferences as to both the nature of God and the language they use to describe him but, if you are an adventist who would like to contribute to reducing the arguments in favor of mutual understanding, please do one or both of two things: a) Give us your ideas about how to work toward that goal and/or b) Click the “like” icon after my comment.

[davidcrane]

Not a good comparison... comparing what a bunch of lying backslidden heathens might falsely say... to what angelic beings in heaven saw in heaven....