Polygamy What Love Is This - 17.26 - 7 Aug 2024fix

Topic: Sermons of FLDS Prophet Leroy Johnson, Part 2
Guest co-host: Karen Bradshaw

[steelcitypb]

There are kind, sincere people within the LDS, as well as within polygamy groups: promise of Salvation can not be assured via Mormonism, and polygamy. Education, love, assistance and plenty of it is essential: love seeing and hearing what you do.
Thank you Doris. Thank you Karen.
Love listening to your programme.

[debbiedonovan]

Always love your kind points... many Kingston girls have fled the Order because of your words. Thank you Doris, when I tell the story of polygamy in Utah it involves many swear words... because I am related to every 'mormon prophet' but two... after the manifesto.. my great grandmother was a young Scottish immigrant married off to a Mormon in Idaho territory.. she died during the Spanish flu, the other wife blamed my grandfather for her death because she sent him to school. Miriam Rick's was the first wife... my grandfather was the first lost boy, he got kicked out.. and worked for the railroad company at 13 yrs old.. and survived the great depression. My grandfather is a testimony of survival... like you.

[pollydunn]

I've been divorced for 19 years. I got a letter from my former husband's bishop stating my former husband wants to get sealed to his present wife that is still alive. She is sealed to her first husband that committed suicide. In the letter it stated that if they get sealed I will also still be sealed to him. 😂 The church still definitely believes in polygamy. On their records my former husband would be a polygamist. I told his bishop to make sure my sealing was cancelled because I NEVER want to live polygamy. 😂 I had asked for my name to be removed and my sealing cancelled over 10 years ago so I guess they never really remove your name so they can keep their count of membership up. 😂

[mckster]

Always enjoy your show and the co-hosts are a blessing too

[RandomStuff-ii]

Polygamists and the LGBTQ both say love is love.

It takes strong conviction when people leave these groups of people and admit, that kind of love is not love.

Former polygamists and former LGBTQ's have confessed that.

[sarahansen-vmxv]

I really enjoyed your video and the thoughts that both of you Christian women shared. It's amazing that you left your faith yet retained your faith in Christ. You can tell you're smart and studied, and I believe your goal in this video is to help others. I've written a few things (albeit lengthy as this is complex) I'd like to mention to the creators of the video and the viewers. Just a warning, this stuff is pretty dense with Mormon doctrine. When I refer to "the Church, " I am referring to the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints.

1) There is Biblical evidence of a belief in a pre-earth life and a Heavenly Mother as well as reasons why this belief could have been intentionally taken out of scripture cannon by the Jews that rejected Christ and the Christians that rejected Christ's church. There are also many published papers explaining ancient America DNA evidence/theories in favor of the Book of Mormon. You may do your own research if you are interested. Any specifics I give are pointless if you don't want this to be true.

2) Joseph Smith and the church have never claimed that polygamy is necessary for everyone to obtain the highest degree of salvation. Rather, Joseph and the Church taught that there are different DEGREES to which we can be saved based on the DEGREE we accept Christ, repent, and are obedient. If God commanded someone to live polygamy and that individual chose not to, the consequence of that individual possibly not obtaining a higher degree of salvation would be because they were disobedient, not because they weren't in a polygamus marriage. Furthermore, the church has never clarified if those sealed to multiple spouses will be in a marriage relationship with those spouses for eternity. It's very possible that a reason for polygamy within the church was so that more women had the opportunity to enter into the patriarchal order of the priesthood (this happens during the sealing) and that more children would be born in the covenant (note that more women had the opportunity to be mothers with polygamy), yet, in the eternities all those who obtain exaltation will only live as husband and wife, not husband and wives. This would mean that a woman who was a polygamus wife on earth would be sealed to a different man in the eternities and would be his only wife. Here's some evidence for this.... In the Church, if a couple is sealed in the temple and divorced while still in mortality, they can both retain the sealing so that they are both still within the patriarchal order of the priesthood. If they had a child while sealed and later one divorced parent has the sealing with their ex-spouse broken and is sealed to a different spouse, the child doesn't need to get sealed to their stepparent and that child continues to retain all the blessings of being born under the covenant.

3) There are multiple forms of monogamy and polygamy, and there appear to be times in the history of the world where different forms of each are needed, however, God's IDEAL marriage, in my opinion, has always been a man and wife (no additional spouses) who are in love, who are sealed, and who strive to follow Christ (this would include sexual purity). So what are different forms of monogamy? A monogamous couple may or may not romantically love each other, they may have varying degrees of a healthy vs an abusive marriage, they may be in forced marriage, they may be in a non-forced arranged marriage, they may not be sealed, they may not be sexually pure, etc. If someone had sex with someone other than their spouse before they were married, are they fully monogamous? (note that yes someone who isn't sexually pure can be purified through Christ). All of these different variables can be applied to different types of polygamy. According to journals of members of the church living in polygamy, most polygamus marriages were striving for a healthy marriage and family, as I believe Abraham, Jacob, and Moses did in the Bible, and the majority of women saw huge benefit to living in polygamy despite its difficulties. But are there examples of harems in history and churches who broke away from the latter-day church who were living in polygamy for its hedonism and control? Yes. The biggest factor with a godly marriage, however, is not if there were multiple wives or not. Now, if God's ideal was always one man and one woman (think Adam and Eve not Adam, Eve, and Alice) why would He command polygamy? D&C says polygamy was a test, the Book of Mormon says polygamy could be commanded if God needed to increase the population (population analysis of polygamy's effect on the church proves this to be true). Most anthropologists would agree that if it were not for polygamy, the human race would not have survived. There are many positives to healthy polygamy (in addition to the potential reasons my 2nd point above), even polygamy it isn't God's ideal form of marriage and even if no one will live in polygamy in the eternities. So why are there times where God commanded there to be no polygamy? Perhaps one reason is that although it's a tool in His toolbelt for mortality, it's not God's ideal or the way Gods live. So when there were times in history where this polygamy tool wasn't needed, God commanded it not to be applied. Perhaps the church wouldn't have survived had it continued polygamy in the latter-days. Break away churches who continued polygamy are dying, yet, the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints is growing world-wide.

[debbiedonovan]

John married Maria oct 9, 1885 in the logan temple.. Married Esther in 1905 in Canada had 8 children... family reunions on my mothers side always awkward

[judycook]

Where do you get your information! ?? 🤔. So what do you believe? I can’t tell!😮 You seem wishy washy?😳🤨🙏🏻😇