HW News - NVIDIA & AMD Might Be Making Arm CPUs, Threadripper 7985WX Leaks, RTX 4080v2 Leaks

Hardware news this week focuses heavily on the CPU industry, where multiple companies are pushing major Arm-based CPU products. That includes not only the usual server and enterprise suspects, but also a resurgence in Windows-compatible Arm CPUs for consumer laptops. NVIDIA and AMD are among the rumored to be working on these solutions. In addition to these reports, we'll be covering the Threadripper Pro 7985WX leaks, RTX 4080 v2 rumors, and more.



TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Recapping the Week
01:21 - Cat Angels Donation Recap
03:31 - NVIDIA & AMD Making Arm-Based CPUs
06:35 - Qualcomm Snapdragon Elite X Windows CPUs
10:20 - Feiteng S2500 64-Core CPU
11:53 - Socionext 32-Core CPU
13:32 - Leak: Threadripper Pro 7985WX Performance
14:28 - Rumored RTX 4080 v2

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[Hoecs]

Really glad that Nvidia/ARM deal didn't go through. ARM acting independently is so much better for innovation and the consumer as shown in this news video

[Blink_____]

Oh boy I can't wait for Nvidia ARM chips that beat the current crop by 15% and cost 300% as much

[thingsiplay]

Nvidia tried to buy ARM. So I think plans to make an ARM based CPU is long in planning and development.

[dundermuff]

Not sure about ARM based solutions, but I am looking for LEG based solutions....

[ShermSpinner]

All these ARM news certainly put a bit of a different light on the consideration of using ARM based chips in the next generation XBOX that was largely dismissed as unrealistic when they leaked a few weeks back.

[denverag]

FYI, AMD is not new to ARM cores, however, this should be the first ARM first processor, as far as i can tell AMD includes ARM in most of their APUs but it is for OOBM isolated from the OS

[Dhruv-qwjf]

It would have been better if the industry decided to adopt RISC-V as the next big architecture for the consumer market, rather than ARM, since RISC-V is an open standard and it wouldn't have been beholden to any one company, it eventually probably would've resulted in cheaper overall prices for CPUs as well.

[floppa]

Personally, I'm not yet convinced that the ARM instruction set by itself is a silver bullet that makes everything more efficient. Of course Apple gets great results but keep in mind they also always use the latest TSMC Node available and give their CPU cores plenty of cache. Also when you compare for example a really modern x86 SoC like the Ryzen Z1 with an Apple M2 the gap closes significantly.

With that being said, I think the great thing with ARM in general is that it allows for way more innovation since there will be more than 2 companies that can sell these chips. I'm just really afraid that Windows and its huge Software stack is absolutely not yet ready for this multi instruction set world we are moving towards!

[efraimkent]

love the continued focus on the cat shelter support! further reason to love GN <3

[xerzy]

Definitely curious about Threadripper in Eco mode, couldbe extremely convenient for tasks like intensive compiling where core count matters the most

[TheGamerUnknown]

HWNews is such a nice way to start the week! Definitely makes Mondays more enjoyable. :)

[Barkebain]

People I've talked with all seem to think these Arm CPUs are going to be powerful and cheap, like Arm is right now. Since Nvidia wouldn't even consider any market with less than a 1000% markup, I would venture that these new Arm CPUs are going to be heavily marketed based on their AI capabilities, and will be far more expensive than current x86 offerings. If they have success with Arm, it will also likely drive up the costs of developing games since they would need to support an entirely new platform requiring a separate code base. I do believe Arm could be highly competitive in the PC/gaming market, but with the players involved, it won't be discounted relative to x86. We all need to thank regulators world wide for preventing Nvidia's purchase of Arm, or it would be far, far worse.

[aggies]

Not sure if the Proton translation layer would be as apt a comparison to say x86 to Arm. Since Proton is more translating api calls in the same instruction set/architecture, I more apt analogy may be the difference between say editing someone's paper written in english, where you adjust punctuation, fix a few grammatical errors, maybe move a few sentences around for better clarity. Vs where you actually have to translate the paper from english into another language entirely. The second option is a lot more work, which means potentially larger performance impact.

[mightylink]

I don't see ARM ever replacing x86 because that would require everyone to give up most of their current library of apps and games. Switching to ARM is just as hard as switching to Linux, most people don't want to sacrifice what they have now.

[fuzzymcgee_]

Poor Qualcomm not having enough X in their names, they never had a chance ;(

We can be lucky GN brings us this new advanced measuring standards for CPU benchmarking...

[edwarda.tokash]

AMD had developed the K12 ARM based CPU but was later scrapped, though not entirely - their PSP processor in Ryzen/Epic branched off of that earlier work and is ARM based AFAIK. They should be able to bring an ARM CPU to market fairly quickly if they see a need for it.

[that_is_not_me]

K12 was supposed to be the Arm version of Zen, but they never released it. It would be nice to have Arm SoCs with good mainline Linux support, right now it's a mess and making full use of the GPU can be very hard, but AMD already has the amdgpu open source drivers so I would expect it to "just work" with newer kernels.

[CedricGniewek]

Apparently, Microsoft has already created some compatibility layer for running x86 binaries on ARM64 processors. A big part of it is called ARM64EC binaries (EC = emulation compatible).
Basically, it means that you can run x86 applications but with ARM64EC libraries. That means performance would not be too much impacted because you don't need to emulate everything.

[EmblemParade]

ARM was attempted on PC many times but got trapped in the chicken-and-egg problem with the inability to run existing software well. What we need is ARM with embedded x86 emulation acceleration, like Apple silicon has.

[POVwithRC]

Here for the ARM transition. I'm primarily a Mac user for personal matters and the optimizations for a creative workflow slap harder than Ike Turner on a bad day. For my day job, being a field tech, I'm in the Windows ecosystem. And it would be very nice to have something in the macbook air form factor that can run some bespoke client specific apps on ARM with a few days of battery life. The translation layer for x86 stuff will make or break this fantasy.