Dr. Collins' class on the Theology of John Wesley changed my life.
joshuahenderson
Live as holy people who love with all our heart this who do not yet walk in holyness
matthewpharis
Great video brother. I love John Wesley and I can't wait to meet him in glory. His words confirmed my salvation to me and now i know for certain that I, yes even I, have been reconciled to God BY THE DEATH OF HIS SON. And that Jesus LOVED me and gave himself for me, and BECAUSE he did that, I now have the free gift of everlasting life. It's through my belief that it's true that the gift is now in my Blessings my brother.
johncoyote
Checking out the history of reformers is really interesting.
johnwade
It amazing to me that you explain him without talk about the baptism of the holy ghost.
nycnyc
A couple thoughts, professor.
Firstly, in response to the "tension" you say exists within the two halves of holy Love:
Best explained by one if the four quads, experience.
I claim to have instantaneously received the fully ripened Fruit of Agape'/Holy Love. It was given as a result of me externally and internally juxtaposing what I considered was my previous walking in Love, against a 4-page delineation of Love as summarised in 1Cor.13's definition--along with my failure to internally love a personal enemy. God followed that revelatory experience/trial/pruning (Jn.15) with conviction, godly sorrow & remorse, repentance, deliverance, and then it replaced with Holy Love. That resulted in what you explained was the outward working of Love towards the world (though Wesley was amiss in how that plays out, making me suspect he knew of it from the experiences of followers but hadn't experienced it himself??).
The outward manifestation of the other half of Holy Love as you defined it, what was directed towards God, came 10 years later. It necessitated being preceded by my heart being, also instantaneously, delivered from my love of the world. Only in retrospect years later did I understand how the Kingdom principle of a mortal unable to love both God and money (i.e. our access to the things of the world), resulted in that decade long lapse between the two halves of holiness via Love.
Your other part of the equation, Grace....ahhhh, Grace....maybe later, when it's more prevenient, eh, I mean convenient.
brotherjim
To gain a further understanding on Wesley's role in Pentecostal theology, see Henry Knights writings called "From Aldersgate to Azusa" A must read for students.
BottomLineBassin
You used a word with which I'm not familiar. It seems to be a reference to the way (or ways) Christians cooperate with the Lord but it seems to be a different form of the word "cooperate". If you were saying "cooperative grace", a) your pronunciation didn't seem to have enough syllables and b) your diction didn't seem to include enough consonants. Maybe your answer can help other non-methodists as well as me.
rogermetzger
Where would Wesley come down on the sin that cries out to heaven? I think we know that sin of which I speak. That sin which is peddled today as “love is love”
patcandelora
So interest ing those are things we Catholics believe
herewegokids
". We would end up with a very dower man made religion". Welcome to Jehovahs witnesses. Exactly
shawngregory
Without the baptism of holy ghost you can not be holy.
nycnyc
J.Wesley it's all about men merits....
michelhaineault
Was a Methodist member for 20 years. John Wesley's teachings wouldn't stand up today! Too grace heavy and not enough emphasis on personal holiness! Watch for the split concerning practicing homosexuals as clergy! Read the Word of God yourselves and allow the same Holy Spirit that wrote them, speak to you! People have become too reliant on the person in the pulpit. See Acts 8 and mimic the Bereans who "searched the Scriptures themselves" to verify what they heard. Blessings and remain sober minded. Jesus is at the door!
