Did Europeans cause the death of Native North and South Americans? | Jordan B Peterson #shorts

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[ArtekGeneral]

A similar thing happened in Russia on a smaller scale. Russian rediscovered a completely secluded village in like Syberia or something that was completely cut off from civilisation and after the contact the entire village died except for 1 woman.

This is also why its generally considered a bad idea (and probably straight up illegal) to try to contact different wild tribes hidden around the world - we could easily wipe them out just by coughing on them once. Not to mention that they'll probably kill you before that happens, so it's a bad time for all sides.

This also makes me somewhat terrified of potential alien contact, because same thing could happen on cosmic scale. They could infect us, we could infect them, or we could mutually infect each other... Big oof.

[jpkarbunko]

"95%-90% of native North and South Americans died..." ¿Que?

[kevins]

This is what makes me think our contact with aliens will be benign but still lethal once whatever is on their spacesuits gets us.

[GenericInternetter]

The ending was strangely comical for some reason

[Albertoscutarius]

Be careful with your percentages, because many of them come from Spanish colonies' census, which classified population by ethnic affiliation. Those census indeed show how, generation after generation, the percentage of "indios" ("indians") diminished... but also how the percentage of "mestizos" ("mixed") incremented. Epidemics had a catastrophic effect on the natives, indeed, but not THAT catastrophic to wipe out 90% of the population. Most of indigenous communites weren't wiped out (some of them were), but instead dissolved into the new colonial society and intermixed with europeans and other ethnicities, as you can see by revisiting colonial marriage registries, or easily deduct by taking a look at nowadays Latin America's demographics and ethnic composition.

[theaverageamerican]

This is not even a question, it is fact. And to put that fact in it's entire context this process continued well into the mid 1900's as remote populations of native people in the Americas remained vulnerable to diseases that the descendants of Europeans could tolerate.

[russiancheems]

That’s literally in most middle school history books

[rainmanslim]

Short answer: yes

Short but little bit longer answer: sooner or later, the old world would come into contact with the new world and this would happen. Sorry to quote thanos here but. It was inevitable.

[snazzysnazzergryphon]

Also Native Americans were very healthy and had a great physique. They could chase down a buffalo just by running because of their physique and diet. They were like at peak performance but with different genetics then everyone else.

[thcreedon]

Native Americans were not just one group. There were multiple nations. Just like how Europe isn’t one nation. Long before the first Europeans showed up, and long after, they fought wars against each other over territory. Just like European nations did.

When the Europeans first showed up, they looked like good people to team up with and go conquer your neighbor. When the Pilgrims landed in Massachusetts, they were welcomed with open arms, and quickly formed a military alliance with the nearest native nation.

That alliance actually went really well for their allies, at first anyway. They trounced their “hated enemy” next door and quickly assimilated new territory, giving a portion of it to the new European allies for their part in the fighting.

This went on for quite a while. One Native nation teaming up with Europeans and beating down their hated enemy, and then another one teaming up with them. Each time giving the Europeans part of the spoils. ……………….until around the turn of the 18th century some native leaders started to notice the Europeans were starting to approach 50% or more of the territory belonging to them….. and only them….. and all evidence suggested this trend would continue.

So in the 1800’s, some leaders like Tecumseh started reaching out to their hated enemies, to try and get together an alliance.

It requires context to understand why it was so hard for him (and others like him) to get these alliances going. You see: nobody particularly hated the European settlers (yet).

European culture has and had a concept of “war crimes”. Certain things you just don’t do in war. Native Nations would brutalize each other. Torture prisoners. Enslave the people they defeated. Scalp people while they were still alive. This created horrible, traumatic memories and hatreds that would last generations, fueling the next war.

The Europeans mostly didn’t do that stuff. They would kill humanely. If they took a prisoner they would feed and house them. There were a few massacres, but only a few. Nothing like what was going on all the time between these Native Nations.

The Native Nations were happy to see the Europeans prosper. They just didn’t anticipate they would prosper so much that there would end up being no more land left. ……… until it was too late.

It also depends on which nation you look at. The Eastern Natives were the ones making alliances, and they weren’t broken as often as you might think. (Remember there are 300 years between 1492 and 1792. So a “broken” alliance may sometimes have lasted over 100 years before it was “broken” or ended.)

The Western tribes, on the other hand, didn’t really encounter the Europeans outside the fur trade, until American had grown into a sizeable monster they had no hope of fighting back against. Their experience is a bit different.

[Pandagurl]

The actions of the Sentinelese tribe on north sentinal island makes so much more sense! They possibly do not even know the existence of the native Americans but still developed and maintained the action of social distancing

[Einhven]

There is a small, secluded island off the coast of India. It is a violation of international law to land a boat there. This might be one reason why. The native population has never come in contact with anyone from the outside world.

[haroldedwards]

That's really what you want to tell yourself to make you feel good so be it

[TheTopStarz]

Thats scary and the fact its not common knowledge is scarier

[FoxyNewfie]

As a mi'kmaq ..we still made it / we are still here

[pearldiver]

I have always felt that to be an exaggerated amount by 60%
Populations of great numbers disappeared completely before the white eyes ever heard of America.
Also Europeans were in and out of the northeast for centuries before Columbus.
DNA shows a large contingent of Eurasia mix in so called native DNA.

[emilynewman]

Not disagreeing that disease killed large amounts of the populations, but I think it's nearly impossible to report an actual percentage since the actual population was not known. It's not like there were census records.

[jaytee]

Tell em Jor! Leavr people alone! Let people be.

[heroawesome]

Yes, but at the time there was no way for them to know that. No one had any real knowledge of how those diseases worked or even that germs existed. It's totally unfair to not take that into account when talking about the new world

[MrBobDobolina]

Is he asking a question or making a statement?