1 Corinthians 10:13 and the Ability to Do Otherwise

Dan and Colton Carlson, a Calvinist, discuss 1 Corinthians 10:13 and the ability to do otherwise.

[Dizerner]

I think we need to hold people a little more accountable for logical internal contradictions, albeit lovingly.

[TheOtherCaleb]

Hi Dan! I apologize if my comment about me finding Colton’s interpretation “insane” was offensive or hurtful. I simply meant that - to me - his case was absurd in a non-personal sense. Colton is a super bright guy with a massive, systematic tradition behind him and he does good work. I believe that you interpreted my comment as me calling Colton foolish, but that was not what I intended. I was calling his position irrational; that is, according to my own seemings it would be crazy. And yes, I could be wrong. Anyhow, you are always incredibly nice and I know that you avoid overly assertive, fiery language and understandably so. So again, apologies for my comment. And if you have communication with Colton, could you relay this apology and my intentions to him? Just wanted to clear my conscience. God bless.

[jeffcarlson]

I am Not so sure that the GARBC's in the Midwest... necessarily had Arminian leanings or tendencies... but I DO agree many of the sermons I heard were lacking.. in really defining.. irresistible grace // limited atonement // and unconditional election.../and so I learned a lot about what these entailed on my own.. by careful bible study... I was a Calvinist in my theology... before I even knew what the 5 points of Calvinism were...

the GARBC DID preach OSAS... and so I believe THAT falls into the category of perseverance of the saints.. I think what was REALLY lacking in the messages I heard... was exactly HOW Sovereign God was in one's life.... we read about How He knows how many hairs are on one's head... and how.. not one blade of grass falls but that God allows it.. but.. this was Not really studied in great depth.. to explain...WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO ME...?..

I also believe that they believed somewhat in the total depravity of man... yet this also was NEVER explained in depth.. questions should have been answered such as..

Can sinful man find God on his own?.. Can sinful man accept God.. on his own...?

what is the exact meaning of Ephesians 1:4-5 ..?

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, "

what did Peter mean in 1 Peter 1:2...?

“Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.”

whom did Peter consider to be the "Elect"... and why?...

looking at John 3:16... we Must also consider this verse from the Calvinistic viewpoint...

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

we MUST understand ... that this "whosoever"... refers to the "whosoever that are predestined by God to NOT PERISH"...

most find this as an open invitation to the whole world.. to become saved... but it is NOT the ONLY ones who will be saved are ones who have already been predetermined by God to be saved...

they are the ONLY ones... who will find the Holy Spirit's call unto God as irresistible...