Fan Theories #3 : Who Is The Woman In End Of Time?

IMPORTANT NOTE : Please read the comments before posting, I have already answered some of the most common queries on this theory already several times!

Time for another Fan Theory! And today I discuss my thoughts on the identity of The Woman who appeared in End Of Time...And Hell Bent?!

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[CaptainJimiPie]

*_IMPORTANT NOTE : PLEASE READ THIS PINNED POST BEFORE COMMENTING!!_*

Many people often comment with the same common queries to this theory, so please read below before commenting as you may find the answer to your comment below and it will save me having to keep repeating myself in replies!

Point : Russell T Davies confirmed The Woman was The Doctors Mother
Response : Whilst it's true that Davies did confirm in his book The Writers Tale that he created The Doctor as The Doctor's Mother and the actress Claire Bloom was told this when he was portraying her, in the actual final script and on screen the true identity of her character was never revealed. Whilst both Davies and Julie Gardner have since said they personally believe her character to be The Doctor's Mother, the on-screen ambiguity and lack of explicit confirmation leave her true identity open to audience interpretation.

Question : If TimeLord's can recognise each other despite change in appearances, why didn't the Twelfth Doctor Recognise Missy
Answer : He probably did recognise her, but didn't want to believe it. When he felt her heartstbeat he knew she was a TimeLord's and probably recognised her as The Master (as she says "you know who I am") but didn't want to believe it as he thought she was lost along with Gallifrey.
So his shock at the end of the episode isn't him recognising her, it's the shock of having his suspicions confirmed.

Point : The Woman Is Romana
Response : Whilst some fans do believe her to be Romana there isn't anything concrete (or otherwise) to imply that it is her, and in fact Romana's fate post timewar is still unknown at present time but more may be revealed in the forth coming Gallifrey : Time War Big Finish series.

Point : The Woman Is Tecteun
Response : This is highly unlikely as The Doctor was seemingly unaware of Tecteun's existence up until the events of The Timeless Children so it doesn't make sense that he'd recognise her during the events of The End Of Time

Point : The Woman Is Donna
Response : Many people believe The Woman is Donna as The Doctor looks at her/in her direction when he visits her wedding (other also believe with Sylvia in the foreground it is also a nod to her being his mother) however the actual stage direction in the final script for this scene is _" The Doctor just looks. At Wilf. At Sylvia. At Donna, in the distance. Friends, mothers, brides, he's not saying"_ which whilst obviously leaving it open to interpretation, does not confirm that The Woman is intended to be Donna or his Mother.

Point : The Woman Is Susan
Response : Many fans believe The Woman to be Susan, however it's highly unlikely as both before and after this episode The Doctor makes mention of how he considers his family, including Susan, to be either missing or dead and the last that was known of Susan was during The Eighth Doctors era when after meeting with The Eighth Doctor she joined rejoined The TimeLords to fight against The Daleks in the Time War. As such there is very little in the episode to support the idea that The Woman is Susan.
*_UPDATE :_* It has recently been announced that Carole Ann Ford will be returning in Big Finish's The First Doctor Adventures Vol. 3 with her role credited as "The Woman" however at present time there is nothing to suggest that she will be the same Woman as in the End Of Time.

Point : The TimeLord's Covering Their Faces Are The First Weeping Angels
Response : A theory that alot of other people seem to believe is that Weeping Angels are really "dead"/condemned TimeLord's but again to me it seems unlikely. Rassilon describes them as the "Weeping Angels Of Old" and when coupled with the known fact that they supposedly evolved near the beginning of the universe, it implies they are far older than even The TimeLord's, therefore existing long before them.
Another piece of evidence is that in the comic Gaze Of Medusa The Fourth Doctor (having not met them yet) doesn't fully believe The Weeping Angels even exist, further suggesting that the Weeping Angels are possibly consider mythological in TimeLord society.

Point : The Woman Is The Doctor
Response : Alot of people are now saying this and anything is possible HOWEVER it seems that people are only starting to say it now because The Thirteenth Doctor is a woman, and just because The Doctor now has a female incarnation doesn’t mean that any nondescript woman/TimeLady in Doctor Who is now immediately a possible future incarnation of The Doctor.
It’s not like it wasn’t a possibility before but it seems more people are only saying it now just because The Thirteenth Doctor is a woman.
Frankly, whether it’s possible or not, among what evidence to suggest her identity there is, almost NONE of it has any bearing on her being The Doctor, and as far as I can see people are saying it literally because now there’s a female Doctor and no other real reason based in the narrative of the show.

Point : The Woman Is Granny 5 (or another grandparent)
Response : Like the previous point alot of people are now saying this and anything is possible HOWEVER it seems that people are only starting to say it now because The Thirteenth Doctor mentioned several grandmothers/grandparents.
Again like the previous point, it’s not like it wasn’t a possibility before but it seems more people are only saying it now just because of something that has been said in the episode.

Point : The Woman Is The Doctor's Father
Response : Of all the idea put forward this is a perfect valid one however like the previous point it seems people are only saying this now we've seen several TimeLord's change gender...like it wasn't a possibility before?
As I said before it's a perfectly valid idea but what this also shows is given the tiniest bit of evidence people will read something into anything when there isn't anything else to fill a gap.

[ActorAaronBooth]

The first thing that struck me when it aired was that she was Susan, his granddaughter. Struck me as that as when Wilfred asks the Doctor who the woman was, the Doctor looks at Wilfred's granddaughter, Donna, and gives him the lottery ticket for Donna's Wedding gift.

[caffeinedelusions]

Given that Timelords don't always remain sex or gender consistent from regeneration to regeneration, she could very well be the Doctor's father.

[jakeywakey]

They show who she is in the end of time. Wilfred asked who she was and the camera was focused on Donna, Donna is Wilfred's granddaughter. The reason the camera was focused on Donna was because the Doctor looked over at her. The Doctors granddaughter is Susan Foreman.

[warblerab]

if timelords can recognize each other regardless of change appearance, why did the 12 Doctor fail to recognize that Missy was the Master?

[MuERtOvLoGS]

Maybe it's Susan, the timelords were tracking the location of every single one of them during the time war, which forced the master to become human in order to escape. But Susan was living in the future and she was entirely a timelady which help the timelords locate her and bring her to Gallifrey. Maybe because of her knowledge and studies of the universe with her grandfather (The Doctor) she became at some point part of the high council.

[princessdie]

I honestly think she is. It feels like it.

[ShadowArtist]

I think "the woman" in End of Time was Romana.

[beaeo]

If you watch the 1963 version of Doctor Who, you will learn more about the doctor.
1. The Doctor came from wealth.(Stated in both 1963 and 2005 versions.)
2. The Doctor was confronted by Metilda(Me) about the half breed being not half timelord and half Darlek, but Half Timelord and half human. Then asked what he was.
3. The Doctor has passed threw the void between universe's. What is to keep another version of his self from coming and becoming the curator of the art gallery? (Season 4 episode 11 left turn. Rose shows up and helps Donnato make. Also season 1 when Mickey held the wrong button too long causing Rose, Mikey and Doctor to cross over into a parallel universe. I noticed at least 2 other police boxes both a different shade of blue as well as difference in age. one looked old and unused the other looked newer. Don't think he would have stranded his human self with Rose without being able to travel.)
4. The doctor has many times travelled across his own time line many times, after all he used to keep a log, but stopped because events would happen at one point the never have happened because he travelled to another point and did something that contradicts an earlier entry and erasing that moment.(1963 series with the 4th Doctor)

[williamsmith]

" timelords can recognise other timelords despite their outer look" explain how the doctor has failed to recognize the master in his new forms time and time again??

[ClassicsFanboy]

I'm sure that in one of the books written by Russell T and Benjamin Cook, he tells Ben that the woman is definitely the Doctor's mother during one of their email conversations...I'll have to take another look just to confirm.

[ValeDisneylove]

Oh my good, where did you get the clara tribute tardis?? It's beautiful!

[highjim]

Its his mother, RTD confirmed this. what I never noticed until last year (watching reaction videos) was she actually tells the Doctor what to do during the moment he was trying to decided who to shoot, she eyes towards the machine

[davidlewis]

I thought it was his mum when it aired. Just the way she looked at hm

[reapergamingcentral]

He forgot one thing when the doctor (Tennant) secretly attended Donna's wedding, donna's dad asked him who the woman was. After that the doctor glanced at donna

[muppeteer]

I recently re-watched 'The end of time pt 2" and noticed something I hadn't registered before. When Wilf asks the Doctor (at Donna's wedding) who the woman is/was he looks at Wilf then Donna's mother and then at Donna (via camera shots) it has left me with the idea that maybe he was saying "my granddaughter" i.e Susan. Probably complete hogwash but the camera cuts seemed so definite.

[worcesterwargames]

i like your new seiries of doctor who theories!

[theunconventionalpolymath]

Watching the video I am starting to believe this . I am also glad that this works for thosewho follow  The Lungbarrow cannon where gallifreans/timelords are loomed and not birthed.As a side note will you ever do a Fan-theory on  looms and lungbarrow

[wolfania]

I just kept admiring the Clara graffitied Tardis

[DarthIRGri]

The woman in end of time is part of the council of time lords who didn't agree with rassilons plan, how did she go from a carer at an orphanage/boys school to being on the council to go back to the school?