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I don't own anything except my voice.

[kellyfish]

Echo chambers are unfortunately available to scream into on both ends of the spectrum. It’s why I prefer the void as the void swallows all

[nordicmind]

We had 1 member of parliament in Sweden who got voted in as a meme. The platform the young moron he ran on was that he was against murder and against people getting beaten up. Lots of youths, regardless of political leaning, voted for him as a joke. He got in, realized that he was an unchallenged idiot without any actual plan or knowledge about actual politics, and dropped out.

[EmuOtoriInAMountain]

"Let men be masculine omfg"

I type into my phone at 2 in the morning in an Ao3 comment section under a fanfic that makes my favorite male character into a twink.

[katieviolet]

Let men be friends with eachother. Even in the mainstream, men having close friendships that are emotionally intimate has a lot of homophobic stigma around it.

[sciana]

"Wow, you're straight!? I haven't seen one of you in a while!"

[Violet_Knights]

Kinda related but I’m so surrounded by queer and female dominated spaces that when I started getting into baseball I forgot that. Misogyny existed. (I am a woman)

[harmny_]

“It’s okay to be straight!” Is a big one. Like yeah babe we know.

You can stop replying to this and proving my point now, I don’t care.

[M_Alexander]

I'll stick to the spaces that argue about spinosaurus

[rhipuyo]

Unfortunately "Let men be masculine" is a big issue in trans spaces, where masculine-presenting trans men are expected to not be "too masculine" as to not "be threatening to women."
The rhetoric is very much not there in Cishet spaces, but anti-masculine rhetoric is unfortunately rife in queer spaces.

[lamalello]

Why can't I be friend with another man 😭😭😭

[reidleblanc]

The problem is those people in echo chambers go out into the real world and wreak havoc. I’ve been called gay for wearing green. Green. A friend told me she got called transphobic for wearing short hair but staying female

[kenetabansi]

Exactly! Like the key men be friends with each other is so wild! Like there’s literally a whole genre of movie dedicated to male friendship

[puckberserk]

I feel that it is a failure of the current times that body positivity = fat acceptance in so many people's minds. I'm skinny and white, but also very heavily scarred. If I completely cover up I can mostly pass as normal, but it still affects my life.

[drskull.]

*warning, long ass uncalled for rant but-



I'd argue that if someone is in that space to begin with that they are likely already significantly detached from so called "real life" societal norms and likely don't meann or even agree with the representation of these concepts in the way that society would push

IE: someone who'd want to see more hetero-cis ships in a fandom isn't inherently trying to imply or enforce that every ship should end in a nuclear family or be that way for the sake of enforcing social tradition, but instead they're doing the same as what queer ships do and are wanting representation in something they find would be beautiful or lovely, as is natural for anyone.

While you can convincingly argue that what they're looking for is something that has been historically overrepresented infavor of them, I'd argue that just because people may not necessarily cleanly fit into marginalized titles or what they are seems to be a part of society that is socially privileged, that they aren't inherently represented in dominant society at large

Like, the kind of Masculinity promoted by society is one thats inherently materialistic and based on the capability to provide financially and be listened to but never actually speak for themself; or dominating and someone who actively imposes himself onto others with only concern of his own needs

Which may make people who want to see emotionally intelligent masculine male characters or even have differing views of masculinity means than the traditional materialistic or dominating view feel disheartened when they see characters they see as portraying their idea of masculinity portrayed as feminine by communities they participate in as it's a indirect normalization of those toxic masculine traits by seeing what someone might see with more healthy masculine traits as feminine or queer coded (which indirectly promotes the idea that Masculinity or even Heterosexuality can ONLY BE socially negative and that characters who portray positive traits inherently must not be Masculine or Heterosexual)

It'd be an easy mistake to say that heteronomative society properly represents hetero people, when it instead imposes norms and standards that only serves to restrict the ways in which sexuality, hetero sexuality included, is expressed into what is societally "functional"

And you can say the same thing about every other part of society that seemingly exist to the benefit of overrepresent majority groups

Society doesnt exist for the benefit of Straight Men or Thin Women but instead by Elites who happen to be those things or promote those things.

Society doesnt normalize heterosexual or masculine/feminine expression of identity but instead confines it and makes people who would identify as those things have to conform into normative ideas of what people of these identities "should" be

(This is why we see impossible celebrity beauty standards exist at alll, as people want to imitate people who are privileged and who do benefit from heteronomative society rather than be their own persons as who they are aren't benefitted or rewarded by that society.)

All that being said, I think it iss entirely fair and valid that people want to see more representation of what are considered unmarginalized groups in the communities they exist in, as I think people want to see portrayals of these identities that aren't societally typical or fit within Heteronormative ideas of what Heterosexuality "should" look like but instead want to see Heterosexuality portrayed in as beautiful and free of a way as queer people want to and do express their own sexuality

and or the same with men wanting to express their own sense of masculinity and women own sense of femininity rather than what "real world" society holds as Masculine or Feminine

and I think treating that as stupid or invalid

Or saying that it in some way hurts queer representation

Indirectly enforces heteronomative ideas of sexuality, but also makes it seem that hetero sexuality/male masculine and female feminine sexual identity are inherent negatives that are inherently oppressive which is just not true

[DawnTheFox_]

The skinny body positivity, it does need some positive posts. I know people want models to be skinny but that doesn’t apply to real people, a lot of people genuinely get bullied for being skinny

[trippykay]

have you considered that those things aren't directed at the real world? and that maybe, we are addressing lateral issues that other marginalized people uphold?

"let men be masculine" = stop harassing trans men and demonizing them for transitioning

"let men be friends" = stop acting like two fictional men who are close must always be gay for each other

"let women wear makeup" = stop telling women who like makeup that they are anti-feminists and misogynistic

"let men and women date each other" = STOP BEING BIPHOBIC

[BlancMint]

I’d say it’s pretty unavoidable that people will make gay content out of guy characters being bros. Thats just a fandom thing. U could filter the ship names out if you don’t like it

[thelazyomegawolf]

thinking abt that person on twitter who posted the guy standing up meme and said that they think straight ships can also be cute and interesting as if that is not a majority opinion held by most people outside of select internet circles and fandoms

[mangelsimonpaniello]

Oh that's because a place where repressed people don't feel repressed is bound to have some of those people perpetuate the cycle of hatred, usually without realizing or being willing to admit that it's hatred. So that's why those posts are useful inside even if they're not on the Outernet :/

[aseriesofletters]

meh, it’s not useless. “marginalized” is relative. as a skinny cishet white guy who’s often online in spaces that constantly go out of their way to welcome people who explicitly do not share my appearance/background, it is refreshing every so often to be reminded that i’m not the devil just because i, through no choice of my own, benefit from some problematic social structures. we all exist in this shitty world and in combination with just uh, being depressed, it’s really easy to feel worthless after enough time spent in these spaces. i love these spaces and they’re where im most comfortable, so yeah, it’s nice to get a brief respite from the “white people X” and “men Y, ” from being told i’m benefiting from evil or told i’m not doing enough, to just be reminded “hey you’re still a human with value and you’re allowed here too”