Rob Reacts to... The Dirty Truth about Combustion Engine Vehicles | An 'Open Source' Animation

To anyone who says that electric cars are dirtier than combustion engine vehicles, well give this a watch!

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[johndobbyns]

I support renewables and electrification where possible, but for now that is not feasible for some forms of transport such as long haul vehicles and ships.

Long haul vehicles require diesel fuel, jet fuel is like kerosene. When crude oil is refined it is split into several fractions from light (lpg) to heavy (asphalt). The largest proportion of these factions is petrol (gasoline).

So, for example, to produce x amount of jet fuel there will be all of the other by-products that are inevitable. We simply cannot discard them, and it makes sense to use them such as petrol for internal combustion engines.

I know we need to get away from burning fossil fuels, but where I come from, Australia, though my home is solar powered, I rely on diesel transport to deliver many of my other needs. There are a lot of products produced from petroleum that renewable energy doesn't produce and at this point in time we can't simply stop pulling oil from the ground, as much as what we would like.

[iallso]

I installed a 4kw solar pv system in 2016 and bought my first all electric car in early 2021. I try as much as possible to charge at home during the day. Last year I calculated that the cost of the 300km per week commute in the EV was $11.50 compared with the same commute on my motorcycle which was costing around $47.
The car, a Kia Niro is lovely to drive, but knowing I am doing a little bit to protect the environment is a great feeling.

[NeilBlanco]

Great to see Kryten from Red Dwarf is still around and going strong!!! Great video Rob...

[DarkMatter]

I would get a electric vehicle in a heartbeat, if there was a suitable option for my line of work. I'm a courier and I use my own vehicle, a 2012 Isuzu D-max dual cab 4x4 cab chassis with a GVM upgrade (means I can carry more weight). I travel on average 350km every day with some days going up to 500 or 600km. I also carry heavy cargo, up to 1000kg, and I don't have time to wait for a recharge. Until the EV battery situation is improved, where you have higher capacity and less weight, diesel powered is the best option for this case.

[letsseeif]

Range anxiety is a real worry if you live in the outback in Australia.

[DarkMatter]

Volvo did an internal study comparing the C40 recharge with the XC40 (combustion engine), both vehicles are produced in the same factory. Here's what an article that I found says.

"Having announced that it will sign the Glasgow Declaration on Zero Emissions Cars and Vans at COP26, a study by Volvo Motors says that the manufacturing process of its C40 Recharge electric coupe-SUV generates 70 percent more emissions than that of the ICE-powered XC40 counterpart. However, when the car’s lifetime is factored in, a breakeven is reached, and the EV’s total carbon footprint is less compared to that of the ICE vehicle’s.

The Volvo study painted a like-for-like picture, with the XC40 range comprising fully electric, PHEV, and ICE versions of the compact SUV. Their findings take into account the entire lifecycle carbon footprint of each and include mining of raw materials, production processes, fuelling it, and then driving the vehicle for 124, 000 miles (200, 000 km) before final disposal.

Volvo says that the breakeven point will depend on how electricity is generated. The study mentions three different scenarios, based on the average global electricity supply, the projected EU28 balance of both renewable and regular, and full-on renewable energy.

When using the average global energy supply, a Volvo C40 Recharge will need to cover 68, 300 miles (109, 918 km) before it breaks even with the ICE XC40 — in this scenario, that’s over half of the car’s lifetime. However, over that lifespan, the EV will account for 15 percent fewer overall emissions than the ICE vehicle.

Running the C40 on the EU28 electricity scenario doubles the overall reduction in emissions to 30 percent and reduces the breakeven point to 48, 000 miles (77, 248 km). And if you’re able to charge your C40 on renewable energy alone, the carbon footprint of the EV is half that of the ICE, breaking even in just over 30, 000 miles (48, 280 km).

The takeaway? It would seem that, according to Volvo’s research, electric cars aren’t simply greener than ICE vehicles, but over time, they certainly can prove to be more environmentally friendly. However, despite being based on the same platform and sharing many parts, manufacturing an EV results in significantly more emissions, with the batteries alone accounting for nearly a third of them on the C40 and XC40 Recharge. This essentially burdens EVs with a ballooned carbon footprint before they even roll off the assembly line which means that, depending on charging, they need some time before they break even compared to ICE-powered models."

[gbsailing]

Hi Rob, I'm not against EV's, my friend has one and it is ideal for his purposes. But what you don't hear from all this talk about Diesel vs Electric is that Oil (crude) WILL need to be mined for ever and a day. Why? (I hear you ask). Well say you refine a barrel of oil. The first product off the rank will be diesel as it the first product that comes off at the lowest heat. this is followed by 95 unleaded, then 98 then 98 premium. For each barrel, the quantities for each of those is roughly; 72 litres Petrol, 40lt. Diesel, 14 lt. of Jet fuel or kero (or that which is in a Avgas form), 6 lt of gas (propane), 3 lt of bunk oil, and finally, 21 lt of OTHER products (that are refined last), all from one barrel of Crude Oil. Now the OTHER products that are produced are ESSENTIAL to the production of other products used in society, such as: Lipstick, Coke (for smelting), Tyres, Waxes, Asphalt, etc. 21Litres of this stuff is absolutely necessary to produce so many of the products that are needed for the smooth running of our highly industrialised society. So even if we go completely electric (as if we even could do that) all over the world, we would still need to refine Oil to produce these products that are so necessary to us all. So then, we WILL need to refine Crude Oil anyway. What then are we going to do with all the 110litres of Petrol and Diesel products that are first to come off the refining process (the avgas we will always use)?

We will be burning oil for many years to come and then the crunch will hit. However, the Australian CSIRO did finally make a machine that will turn ordinary waste into oil, so hopefully when the natural supply of oil runs out we will have an alternative. Personally, I wouldn't be bringing kids into this future.

Cheers buddy.

[goannaj]

Australia only has 2 oil refineries now, both in Brisbane, most of our fuel is shipped in and only 2 weeks supply at any time.
Recently Adelaide got renewable energy (solar and wind) up to 70% of usage.
Was a quick fact check so could be wrong.

[aussiejace]

would like to see another so call video on the electric cars of start to finish and every process it takes of how they make the cars what energy sources they used to make them and what energy sources it takes to charge them. And the distance of fuel to electric charging of energy usage etc.. this video even thoe its educational its still not telling the whole picture.

[brianlear]

In Australia they want to make renewable power to 35% it is going to cost a fortune and it is proven that it can't happen because we don't have enough lithium or copper in the ground to do this as well as supply of existing customers, trouble is that we are not being told the whole truth, I believe that we need to get away from most fossil fuels but in a sustainable way that everyone can afford power to homes and industry that doesn't force up normal living costs to the detriment of low paid or pensioners. These are the people that are left behind.

[AussieTVMusic]

I'm a motor mechanic since 1979. EVs have way less parts in them than ICE cars. Evs are the future so get used to it.

[goannaj]

Presenter was Kryton in Red Dwarf, and presented a great show called scrapheap challenge which I can't find anywhere.
Oh you knew commented too early lol.

[jemxs]

Well presented video? Red dwarf was a fantastic show!
Have you changed your channel name to Tesla or am I going crazy?

[Underratedcuttlefish]

My main problem with electric cars is the time it takes to charge an the relatively short distance it can travel before needing a recharge. The average 350km most electricity cars can go for and 8hr charge time from empty does not make it practical for regional areas. It wouldn't even get me halfway to my capital city from where I live and the majority of little towns in between don't have charging stations. Would be great city driving but it's limited. Technology is improving though so won't be long before they work out that issue too.

[anthonypirera]

Thanks for the video and congratulations on taking the step into the future with you and Charlie buying an electrical car

[helmuthschultes]

Refineries in Australia information is very out of date.
Australia has closed most of its refineries years ago. Of what was once over 7 refineries, shrank to 5 and now two only. Sadly that means fuel is now imported from for example Singapore, so meaning pollution for yet another leg of shipping. But Australia is now highly at risk of having fuel cutoff by likes of China to extort or under take war like measures..
EV will for a long time yet be very impractical over the huge areas of Australia outside of the coastal major cities, farming, mining and transport remain fuel dependant over much of the country.

[carolmead]

works in small countries like england, europe, etc, not in aus at this time no infrastructure, cost of cars is stupidly high $50k plus for anything half way decent, might be able to get chinese rubbish for less.will stick to my worked 6.2lt V8 wagon, pure enjoyment when you give it a fang so loud so good.when they get charge stations and charge times reasonable i would be a maybe.there are still places in Aus where you have 100s of ks to travel before you can get anything.city use only for sure.happy that you like yours, you must admit you gotta like a bellowing V8 pure joy.have a good one.

[brianlear]

Rob we have a look at the whole cycle of fuel cars as well as EV. How much does it cost to mine the minerals to produce batteries and electric motors. They do not consider that as part of the system, most of the mining equipment runs on diesel, gas is also used in power generation, after mining there is a lot of toxic waste. Electric cars are ok for cities but in Australia we need trucks for long haul transport and farm equipment that run 24/7 during harvest, no time to charge. People need to look at the whole picture from ground to car in both EV and fuel. I saw the part about Australia mining lithium, doesn't state that they use diesel to mine it, very one sided. As I said all needs to be considered in the manufacturer of fuel and battery, unfortunately it is not the case.

[johnmathisen]

Think there is a lot of dirty energy used making these electric vehicles and then the battery is a whole other problem

[davidjohnpaul]

Unfortunately, I don't think EV's are going to be the answer in the short term future...Hybrids yes, & we slowly introduce EV's worldwide in the next decade or so. No country is equipped for full scale EV use. I don't see the production of oil slowing down anytime soon...