Update - US Navy Super Hornet Shoot Down

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Mover, Gonky, and WOMBAT have some new details regarding the US Navy shooting down it's own jets. Plus we get WOMBATS reaction to the whole ordeal!

What do you think? Is this a cover up for a Houthi shoot down? Do all these accidental shoot downs confirm BVR is still a pipe dream? Could this be an inside job? Leave your comments below!

Every Monday at 8PM ET, Mover (F-16, F/A-18, T-38, 737, helicopter pilot, author, cop, and wanna be race car driver) and Gonky (F/A-18, T-38, A320, dirt bike racer, author, and awesome dad) discuss everything from aviation to racing to life and anything in between.



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[babygrrlpc]

It’s not only because WOMBAT is interesting to listen to, but it’s the chemistry between the 3 of you that makes the WOMBAT shows so popular. ❤

[ThisIsOurParadise]

Thank you Mover for translating some of the terminology and abbreviations for us knuckleheads out there, makes it much easier to follow along than having to stop and google a phrase every 2 minutes.

[johnnygaard]

Aviators,
Nice podcast, thanks. I am a 30 year "shoe" (ship driver) chasing the carrier in plane guard or HRU. Happy to clear that up. Most of the time the helo is the plane guard, very specific requirements for ability to pick someone up out of the water fast. There is a Horizon Reference Unit that is often separate, this is the light reference you spoke of out on the recovery radial but the ship might not be officially the Plan Guard there. Often there is debate about use of shooter to be in the light reference for LSO position. I like it and enjoyed it, I was the Air Defense Commander, but did not have missiles and drones flying around. Very Respectfully, Chuck

[SkylerinAmarillo]

I was in Afghanistan in 2011 with 1st Battalion, 23rd Marines. One of our companies was attached to 1st (or 2nd) Recon Battalion. One of the platoons encountered a sniper and started to deal with it. That is, the platoon commander set one squad as a base of fire and the other two squads went to envelope the sniper. Meanwhile back at Battalion HQ, some idiot following the platoon’s actions called in a drone strike on the sniper and didn’t tell the lieutenant. Long story short, our $200, 000 hellfire missile killed a Marine and a navy corpsman. The lieutenant was officially reprimanded and there was an investigation that concluded a lot of things but never seemed to question that a lonely sniper in lonely field in the middle of nowhere was considered a good target for a very expensive missile, shot from an unmanned aircraft, piloted and controlled by people in four distant parts of North America.

If we keep using high cost weapons against really dirt cheap threats, we will lose through attrition.

[rael]

Heck, as Crew Chiefs we used the Threat Warning Receiver on in our B-52s so we could see the supervisor approaching our plane. Worked pretty good.

[view]

Outstanding conversation here guys and thanks to Mover for explaining the terminology to the 99.9% of us who otherwise wouldn’t have a clue what you were talking about without constantly having another device open to reference the terms .

So very, very good and I’m going to rewatch this a few more times .

Love the passion, humor, seriousness and expertise…. And the bro code - that is very serious . Sure, we all want to know what’s going on out of curiosity, but that is not a good look for trust on whoever leaked this stuff out already .

[pf]

This was an all-time top tier segment from the show. Great discussion, hilarious one-liners, angels in white shirts.

[CJInHI]

My dad was a Skyraider pilot in Vietnam. His squadron was based at Alameda and he was tasked with helping the Enterprise battle group do AA training working up for a WestPac deployment. They asked him to come out and make a simulated attack off of the coast of California to get the AA guys in the carrier battle group familiar with their equipment. After he rolled in nearly vertical on the boat, a destroyer shot a Terrier missile at him, which after 2 tours in Vietnam he was able to defeat. He said it took all he had not to shoot 20mm back at them.
This blue on blue has been going on since…well…forever.
You would think we’d have better control by this point.
Apparently, he made such a stink about it, the Skipper was relieved, as he should have been.
He got shot at lots of times in Vietnam and he said this was the closest he ever got to being shot down….. after two combat tours, nearly bea being killed within earshot of home was a real wake up call to him.

[MultiCconway]

If the crew had not ejected they would not be here. The SM-2 attacks from above and uses a proximity fuse.

[paulweatherford]

My family member who was the Weapons and Combat Systems Officer as an O3 on the Gettysburg over 20 years ago explained to me they the command and crew are definately in the suck, an Army reference as I was Army. Happy New Years.

[veneziablau]

You guys and Ward Carroll are my favorite channels for this stuff! "Nooo, that can't be right" LOL So many good lines

[erlgunslinger]

Marine Air Control Group guy here. We talk about the problems of identification and economical defense all the time.

The fact is, the one doing the striking is always going to have an advantage over the defender. The enemy can throw a ham sandwich into your airspace but you still have to identify, track and potentially target it. That all takes time and resources. It’s always a losing proposition if the question is only better defenses.

The thing being thrown into your airspace can always be simpler than the defending system. That’s the gist of it. Something will always get through.

The answer, beyond better defenses, is employing these offensive weapons ourselves. Would it be unreasonable to use loitering one way munitions to strike these targets and spare expensive warships, planes and lives?

The decision makers are ex pilots or ex ship captains. They view problems therefore through the eyes of a pilot or captain. It’s not to say there is no use for these ships and planes, but against an asymmetric threat you have to use an asymmetric response.

Regardless, we will learn the hard way. It will take of bunch of people being killed first.

[Cyyanss]

So many things to be grateful for. Good to know if you punch out your parachute will separate when you land and your raft will deploy. And on top of that you will get picked up man lots went wrong but it’s like wombat said after that everything went right.

[yodaandthebike]

What an awesome show guys. Also like to add, as someone who is NOT a pilot, I really appreciate Mover explaining what the acronyms are.

[StudioMedia]

Thank you, Mover, for defining the anagrams and abbreviations! This is how we learn!

[jetdriver]

Ok you can’t just leave that last statement about the Bro code hanging out there. That requires some explanation.

Truly great videos on this and the Jeju Air crash. Well done.

[elitepilot]

@12:33 "Saved me from a No-Grade" Gonky HAHAHAA

[jmh]

As a rsc(radar systems controller) on a destroyer. You welcome. Having to sector the radar over the carrier while they seemingly do donuts is a pain in the ass. Especially when they want a 10 degree sector instead of a 15 degree sector. Being a master helm during unreps was less of a pain.

[s.daniel]

burned-out F15 crew chief here. Lol…I really enjoyed this conversation. Thx!

[Kip]

Another excellent example that you can't wait to punch out. Reminds me of the controversy concerning the MIG-23 crash in Michigan last year where the backseater made the decision to punch out when he did. 👍