Jamie Griffin And Zach Doelling's BATB 13 Training | Trick For Trick

Zach Doelling takes on the flatground fanatic Jamie Griffin in Round 2 this Saturday. Can Jamie teach Zach his signature double heelflip before the battle? Or will Doelling get the best of the BATB 12 Champion with his buttery bigger flips?

Find out all this and more as we sit down with this weekends competitors to hear their thoughts and complete some BATB 13 Training in ‘Trick For Trick.’

Exclusive BATB 13 Round 2 Boards autographed by Jamie Griffin and Zach Doelling are now available in The Canteen!

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[ZachDoelling]

Damn boss fight after boss fight this game is hard

[therealmichaelmeyers]

Upload the bracket. It's a tournament with an audience. Help us out Berrics.

[suarzj]

zack been killin it for years, glad he's getting some exposure

[dumbdata]

Jamie W/L record: 7 wins, 0 losses (100%)

Zach W/L record: 1 win, 0 losses (100%)

Hardest trick Jamie defended: Forward flip (22% defense rate) s12championshipTurn56

Hardest trick Zach defended: Nollie treflip (63.69% defense rate) s13r1turn4

Easiest letter on Jamie: FS 360 (72.09% defense rate) s12finalsTurn12

Easieset letter on Zach: Tre double flip (23.73% defense rate) s13r1turn10

Jamie defense vs BATB avg: 73.33% (45 attempts) against 56.95% BATB defense rate tricks

Zach defense vs BATB avg: 60% (5 attempts) against 49.07% BATB defense rate tricks

Zach's inexperience with the tournament, and Jamie's intimidating undefeated status will be an uphill climb for Doelling to earn a W here

Dear Berrics, can you let us know the upload schedule for the rest of round 2? It'd be nice know which battles are coming out ahead of time instead of a couple days before you post the actual games.

[unchained]

Honestly, Zach is really consistent with a big bag of tricks. I know a lot of people have their money on Jamie, and it very well may go that way, but if Zach wins the roshambo and/or Jamie misses a haymaker trick it could go Zach's way

[EarlGreyTeaR]

rooted for Jamie since round one last year but im hoping Zach takes it all the way this year. Will be a very interesting game for sure.

[brianblankenship]

I’m so excited!!!! Thank you Berrics for making this possible

[ygortavares]

I don't know anyone with so much "weird" tricks in the bag and so consistent on them as Jamie.

[LukeSkytalk]

I want them both to win! Hella nice guys and both super consistent. Going to be a great game.

[tompainter]

Judging by the griffinator’s insta, I’d say he won this and retreated to Ireland for a month of hardcore rural tech dojo training for finals night

[oisinmckellar]

Please be a long game seriously most hyped match of the entire tournament two titans.

[EggZema_]

They both didn’t need any advice from each other but just learned it by trying first try 😅

[MrHighfiveit]

i think this match is going to be very technical both just have this work ethic that screams details

[nathanskates]

Jamie is such a tank its absolutely insane

[Djomegaredtv]

This the only one so far where both landed each others tricks but let’s go Zach!

[frozennorth]

From the first round vs Giger, Zach looks like he’s doing something I’ve long thought a lot of BATB competitors should do, because they’re primarily street/3D skaters.

There’s two main strategies people can approach BATB (or SKATE in general with): focus on High-percentage tricks (fundamentals) or Low-percentage tricks (death blows).

Most skaters tend to focus on the more exotic Low-percentage tricks, to try maximize a trick’s ability to score a letter and that makes sense, except for a lot of competitors there’s a couple downsides:

1. even great competitors with unique signature tricks still get eaten away at by basics, especially when an opponent stumbles across a weak spot going down the list of Their comfortable basics

but also…

2. low-percentage tricks aren’t as valuable in street skating, where the 3D environment is already multiplying the stakes (violence) as much as complexity does. If a skater’s bread-and-butter is handrails or big gaps, is practicing 540 shoves or half-cab underflips really an investment in the rest of their game outside BATB practice? Probably not in most cases. Street skaters need to have Simpler stuff On Lock so they don’t eat sht on big-risk obstacles, because there’s violence at stake that doesn’t exist in slow-speed flatground. A few extra percentage points on a flip trick is worth a lot when it’s part of a backslide lipslide on a 12-stair.

So IF you want your BATB training to Also be a direct investment in your career as a street skater, it’s a better expenditure of time to refine Fundamentals to Perfection (so that they’re more reliable when you’re trying to get a clip or make something dangerous a little more technical) and then just run through the inventory as you give your opponent chances to be imperfect, to reveal their little neglected variations they miss now and then.

Is this a superior way to strategize BATB prep or competition? Maybe, maybe not, depending on a skater’s style and interests. If Zach and Jonny played 10 games I could see them splitting 5-5 and having a great time

but
IF you’re primarily a street skater, where the role of flatground is much more one of readying tricks for integration into other stuff in the higher-stakes bigtime of the street space,
THEN a training strategy based around high-percentage fundamentals allows BATB training to Also be a direct investment in success out in the street career, whereas trying to keep up with exotic flips, spins, and late manipulations does not.

(of course then you have the rare someone like Chris Cole who was doing both at the highest levels at the same time for years, or a Chris Haslam, etc, but we’re not talking about that)

So for someone like Jonny or Jamie, it might not make sense, but for more conventional street pros paying the bills with street parts, it really seems like the smart way to go.

After all, major pros come in and say “I haven’t been practicing at all” and it makes sense. Why would they? Their career is about getting Street footage and their job takes time like everyone else’s. But what if you figured out a way to make Practice double as work toward supercharging your street powers? I think Zach figured that out, and I’m sure this process is going to pay dividends for him for a long time, long after BATB13 is done and gone.

Anyway, it’s just a thought…

[danielbriceno]

This game it's performance. God to see

[Careover]

the thing is you cant lie, jamie's bag of tricks are just deeper, zach has the fundamentals and consistency, I say whoever wins the row sham bow wins the game, and it might even be a full sweep depending on the skater

[Nakachan_RCO]

Jamie's biggest concern is the next round against Luan Oliveira

[Nickeltony]

Jamies the only guy to say that trick is hard after landing it 9 outta 10 times. He’s unstoppable