A hidden detail in Bach's Minuet in G 🕵️‍♂️🐁

We can obsess over this kind of thing all day long. Personally, I'm past it. But I understand you may not be. I'll wait.

[Bdang]

If you look, its still a grace note as it is significantly smaller in size than other notes. Grace notes don’t need a slash but ones without them are played only slightly longer than ones with slashes. In addition, the measure is also taken up by a dotted half note which is worth 3 counts, so even if it was a normal sized eight note, it would not fit into the measure.

[ONE_PIECE_FANS-kzmw]

I was playing that song on the piano just before by heart and what I see after about this song minuet😂

[patrickmeier]

In BWV Anh. 132 it's even worse. They substitute a slide (Schleifer in german) with a grace note. Several urtext editions don't explain the slide either and it's not part of the ornamentation table in the Wilhelm Friedemann Klavierbüchlein. So my confusion got resolved in Willard Palmers "J.S. Bach: An introduction to his keyboard music". I think the Vorschlag is played on the beat but doesn't gets a whole beat but half of a beat (as an eighth note) in a Menuett.

[scar]

My dad plays this exact song when he first turns on the piano

[johnrottler]

Technically Minuet In G was not by Bach it was actually by a man named Christian Petzold

[nathanpartin]

I would gaurantee you people like Bach and Beethoven would play their peices different everytime they play. I agree with you.

[kylezuniga]

No hesitation, no surrender, no man left behind.

[darkwingscooter]

Your overall point is correct, you should do details after structure.

As other's have pointed out, though, this isn't by Bach, as other's have pointed out. It's by Petzold.

More importantly, though, an appoggiatura on a three count notes typically gets 2/3 of the full value. It's actually more musically satisfying that way.

[tropicvibe]

If thats the case then which book has the right notation?
On a different note (no pun) concerning a different piece, Musette in Dmaj. In most books the 26th bar shows a G# in the RH against an E in the LH. The original manuscript at Berlin State Library clearly shows a D note in the LH. Not sure if they were lazy in transcribing or merely decided to write an E note to cover up the tri-tone. Which wouldn't make sense since by Bach's time the tri-tone was already being used in a lot of music. Seems everyone I've seen playing it are playing the wrong note.

[PanDrado]

Many people corrected me but I always thought it was like that too, with the whole beat. I dunno why

[alejandromartinlopez]

Me caring about this and not doing the tremolos (or whatever ~ is called)

[misterdiffiCULT]

Correct me if im wrong, in CPE bachs treatise or something, didnt the same marking get two beats? The dotted note just gets one, i thought. Ive heard all renditions of this, but didnt know if u knew why some did the appoggiatura as one versus two beats.

[I-AgreeWithYou]

This isn’t by Bach… It’s by Christian Petzold 😂

[EvelynZaneta]

Haha I had a piano teacher who always advise to not purchase books published by Schirmer

[Hopmeister]

Maybe this is my ignorance showing (I am still pretty new to reading music and playing the piano), but wouldn’t the grace note get half a beat and not a whole beat because it’s written as an 8th note and the time is in 3/4?

[lightball]

Bach would be very upset if it was played improperly.

[Novarcharesk]

Both ways sound wrong. The way I've heard this piece is that second to last note gets played slower than the first version, and faster the second.

[garnetislikebrokenskull]

when i played this song there wasnt a forshlag(tiny note) 🤯

[dozie]

The entire era didn’t care about accuracy?

[SomeRandomStuff-TRC]

My book didn’t have grace note on there