This BUILD is EVEN BETTER than 44111 early | SIMPLE VERSION (NO MATH)

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43311 no set no bonus will beat 44111 as long as it has the right main stat
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[imtenten]

now people will tell me how farming for a SINGLE 3 cost with the right main stat NO SUB NO SET is harder than farming for a 41 with good substat zz

[ViperXzero]

how about u show the 44111 onset vs 43311 offset since the whole point of 44111 is u can have the full set easier early on, im sorry but this doesnt proof anything, imo.

[O_RLY]

List of options better than 44111 in order of power descending.

43311 with 5 set
43311 with 5 set, but one 3 cost is 4 star dmg%
43311 with 5 set, but one 3 cost is ATK%
43111 with 5 set
43311 with 5 set, but one 3 cost is 3 star dmg%
43311 mix set, 10% atk, 10% dmg
43311 with 5 set, but both 3 costs are 4 star dmg%
43311 2 set only, 10% dmg
43311 2 set only, 10% atk
43311 with 5 set, but both 3 cost is ATK%

List of options worse than 44111 in order of power descending.

43311 mix set, 10% atk, 10% dmg, one 3 cost is 4 star dmg%
43111 mix set, 10% atk, 10% dmg
43311 mix set, 10% atk, 10% dmg, both 3 cost 4 star dmg%
4431 mix set, 10% atk, 10% dmg

[philipblaskowski]

Isn't the point of 44111 to have an easier time getting the 5 set bonus? Why is the 44111 build not a 5 set? Like yeah, if you only had raw crit stats with a broken set, it'll probably deal less damage than broken set with the right elemental damage bonus. I struggle to see what the point of your test actually is.

[alexzee]

If im being completely neutral
Who is arguing 44111 is better than 43311? Let me know a single cc saying that. Or even the cc that tenten subtweeet which is gacha smack didnt even said that.
I watch both video but tenten is completely missing smack point.
AT THIS CURRENT MOMENT, RIGHT NOW PATCH 1.0 is EASIER TO FARM AND LESS TIME SPENT TO GET THE ECHO 44111 on set 5 piece which is an good alternate of 43311. No one is saying 44111 is better. Even maygi said 43311 is better with the calcs. But the difference of damage is up to the players who decide.
If u are going to minmaxing stamina and thhink 44111 is a waste of stamina then ur completewly wrong, u can always move the 4 to the new character that uses those echo.
Meanwhile offset with correct mainstat lvl 25 if u fodder it later u lose 35 gold tuner and 20% of lvl 25 echo exp. excluding the credit wasted to raise those echo to just be a fodder later. In 44111 build, u just simply use the 4 and 1 on another character aside of fishing for the first 2 substats. Which is very low exp and credit cost.. On havoc u have danjin, on electro now u have yinlin, and can be used on yuanwu also.

One is saying this is a good alternate while being stamina efficient and less time consuming and the 4 cost can carry over to new characters.

One is saying this 44111 is underperformed comparing to 4311 or 43311. Well obviously no one is arguing that.

[rivaillelevi]

Isn't this counteracting your previous video?

There you said in 44111, only the first 4 and the first two 1s are the only transferable when you transition to 43311 which makes sense.
Now you say a 3-cost 5-star that is NOT ON SET which is probably not transferable at all whatsoever in the future is better.
Mind you, the reason people are going for 44111 is for efficiency so leveling up a 3-cost that you CERTAINLY WILL ABANDON IN THE FUTURE IS NOT REALLY IDEAL. Resources are scarce and tacet fields cost a lot of stamina so farming it early just to get resources is also not a good idea.

Everyone already understood how valuable the dmg bonus is. No one is saying 44111 is better, they're just saying it's much more efficient and easier to farm compared to any 3-cost.

And in case you didn't know, NOT EVERYONE CAN PLAY THE GAME FOR MORE THAN 1 HOUR PER DAY.

It's just literally easier to farm 44111 because all you have to do is to kill a boss and then wait for it to respawn for literally 2 minutes, you can just do something else while you wait and then farm again when it respawned, rinse, and repeat.

It's not about the math/min-max efficiency in the game, it's about time efficiency and how easy it will be to farm something so you can continue exploring the world later on in higher difficulty levels without having a burnout.

[yellownomadglitch]

I mean at this point for people that can't find the right main stat and set, you can just go with like 2/2 with all right main stats, as at least getting those is a good base. Then when you actually get the good ones you start level them up.

[NegativeAaa]

people complaining when tenten show the math calcs says it is "only theorytical", and now people complaining again when tenten show the test field says "no math to back it up" SMH

[Clark-wisper-newacctbeenhacked]

What's the point of this argument again? We all know 43311 is the better final build but the 44111 is the easiest to farm ESPECIALLY for people like me who plays 30-1h a day, 2h at most.
Most people are still in the mid game (<40), and mostly the max character level is 60. We're not even close to reaching the final level of domains (or what's it called in WuWa).

The argument of 44111 is right where most of the players are: early-mid game.
If the game shifted to where most of the players are beyond 40, then we can start farming for 43311. It's all about transitioning.
I'd rather have 3 built and functional characters and spending time studying bosses than spending time farming those 3costs at a time where the drop rate between 4 and 5 star rarity is the same (<40).

Even then, if you still don't have a decent 3cost, the 44111 can be split to 411 + 41 for 2 characters when getting the other four 3costs and one 1cost, so no resources would be wasted (unless you leveled up a trash echo).
What I'm saying is, most accounts would go through 44111 before 43311 (unless you got super lucky with 3cost), so running 44111 is not a bad idea as long as we are in the point where our level hasn't reached 40.

Both have merits, but the game and community itself is still on the early-mid game. Please respect those who built 44111. We all know the game will come into a point where majority would be using 43311, that's the time to criticize those still using 44111. Until then, we can agree to disagree and accept that at this point in the game, 44111 is acceptable.

[deeno]

why people cant accept simply that elemental bonus dmg > good ratio with high atk?

[RamenGamer]

At the moment I have a 4431 set on my rover, and ive compared to a 44111 set, and 4431 was noticeably better. I'm not bothering with a 5 piece set for a while, cause the bonus is miniscule compared to the element boost, and im using energy on other things at the moment

[MagnaSaiga]

Why would you use off-element piece on 44111? that's so dumb. Currently only Havoc and Electro can do that

[ReallyGnashty]

Why would your 44111 not be onset? It defeats the point of using it at all. If it was onset this video wouldnt have been made since the dmg comparison wouldnt be close....

[quangtuantran]

If it doesnt matter, then why not test w the thunder/havoc? Using 44111 w 5 sets u get from 0dmg% to 30dmg%, meanwhile for 43311 u get from 60 to 90. Thats the whole point of using 44111 on thunder n havoc, because u get the 5 set on top of it

[JingleJohngle]

So basically rainbow build 43311 is better than going full set piece 44111?

[royalgames]

FOR ANYONE WHO STILL THINK 44111 IS BETTER AND EASIER TO FARM
he showed you that 4311 with no set not substat and no other 3 cost echo with no set no substats is the same as a full 44111 without a set but with substats
the full set gives you 30% damage which means now you need the other 3 cost for the 43311 and remember it's still with no substats and completely without a set which means you don't have to go to farm bosses at all to get a good 44111 pieces with good substats when you can just use the random element pieces from completely wrong sets and completely with no substats and don't you dare tell me that it's hard to farm you will get them completely randomly just by killing monsters
the time that will take you to get the right element in the wrong sets is way less than farming 2 different bosses just to build 1 character
and if you managed to get 2 element pieces in the right set you'll have 30% extra damage on the 43311 which again it's with no substats main while the other build has substats
and just to remind you you have 4 element pieces from your choice in any set you want
2 from the event
2 from the realm
completely free with no farming whatsoever
edit: forgot to mention that and all this and a lot of characters don't even have a full set on the 44111 set which means you're losing 60 % damage if you're running a non set 44111 with really good substats instead of using a full set 43311 with literally no substats
60% is huge so don't get baited

[mamanramlie]

so, electro or havoc 44111 on set or 43311 offset better? thats the main issue here

[Haru_]

I'm gonna give a tip for new players who are f2p looking for a comprehensive echo farming route. I genuinely suggest that you pick a good dps first (I picked havoc allowing me to main rover and danjin)

And immediately do memories of illusive realm to get your on piece dmg bonus first. Next when you try to farm another set. I genuinely suggest farming these 3 echoes. Stonewall Bracer (ER/Healing), Spearback (ER/atk) and chasm guardian (healing/atk) the 5pc attack set is genuinely underrated in this game and you can very well build tons over tons of dps units just from the 4, 1, 1 and then for the dmg bonus you can mix and match. The dmg loss between 5pc Thundering Calcharo vs 5pc atk% calcharo isn't as much as you might think and the mecha boss echo is genuinely a free quick swap echo. Hope this helps any f2p player out there. My farming was done within in like 4 days of the game's launch and I have a job so I only played for like 1-2 hours at best with the exception of sundays

[byeguyssry]

I feel like it's a bit worthless to compare 44111 without the 5pc set bonus to anything, because the reason why anyone wants to run 44111 is because of the 5pc set bonus. As mentioned, the 4311 build did slightly less damage. Can adding another 3 cost offset this damage boost from the 5pc effect? It seems probably but not certain

[neerajsgameroom]

So he means it's more damage even if we don't crit with 4-3-3-1-1 build than crit with 4-4-1-1-1