Cleaned coins grading results! Can you avoid details grades?

I cleaned four 1961 proof sets and sent them in for grading. I used Acetone, MS-70, and eZest coin cleaner on three of them and sent one in as a control to see if cleaning them helps the grading. My main goal was to avoid details grades.

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0:00 Intro
0:50 Control Group
3:18 Acetone
7:24 MS 70
11:00 eZest
15:55 Question

[raymondbrown]

Finally! Someone with some sanity around the "Cleaning" designation. When you said that you don't think cleaning should be designated unless it shows, I almost cheered out loud. Nice video, Sir!

[johnheinze]

I think the most telling comparison would be to break out the contol group including the 1/2 with the milk spot, and break out just the cleaned EZest group.
Those should be enough for an accurate realistic comparison.
Thank you for your expense and work, you are making a great breakthrough in the understanding of the numismatic hobby!

[b-man]

Awesome experiment!!! I love ANACS Holders and their customer Service is A+. I wish the industry wasn't so hung-up on NGC and PCGS!

[gensw]

A couple years ago I saw an article on NGC's website by a person that did restorations for them. They came out and said that they used MS-70 and other chemicals in this process. More recently I've had a friend that also does restorations that has a coin shop. And I believe he does them for NGC but what he told me is that they have a machine which will blow air across the coin and sense whether it has any residue on it. Typically that's the first thing they do and if it does have residue then it will get a details grade. This residue can include even fluoride that's in tap water. So after that they proceed to use whatever chemicals they determine are required for that particular coin but before they ship it back in a new holder they thoroughly wash it in distilled water. So I would suggest using distilled water as the last stage in your process and make sure that a soft cloth is used to dry the coin so it doesn't have any spots.

[LenHere]

I would like to see the same experiment on raw coins (not previously packaged) and sent into PCGS and NGC.

[Keen_Collector]

Brother, I applaud you for making these videos. I know you spend so much in each video and spend more time. With that being said, you have my 👍🏾 and subscription. Thank you!

[redrider]

Love the video! Thanks for taking the time to show us the way!

[numismaticstacker]

Good job on these with proper restoration. You see they do grade straight if you do it correctly.

[kevingalusha]

Thanks for the follow up! It was well worth the wait!

[mrparrehesian]

Rocky 8 years ago I sent in a coin done with acetone, a multiple thousand dollar coin and it came back 1 grade higher putting it in top pop at NGC. Good video and your view on things is excellent.

[philipraimondo]

MS70 is great and you confirmed that… Thanks. I have not had any luck with copper and any of the products. I just stay away from dipping copper.

[gt-ehcobra]

Awesome video, clarity to this issue is much appreciated, I'm a novice still just hoarding coins... 😂

[ThatDashingDasher]

I think the best way to do this test is to send in a proof set uncleaned and a circulation set uncleaned to PCGS. Another uncleaned proof and circulated set to ANACS and another uncleaned proof and circulated set to GCS. Get them back. Notate the grades. Clean and resubmit all the same sets again. Then analyze your results. This would be a very small sample size. For a proper test you would need a lot more submissions.

[willb]

I have used acetone to clean coins, and I have dipped coins(quick dipped) that I have had graded by PCGS with no problems.
After all, NGC and PCGS call it coin restoration when they do it.

[Rick.K]

You Sir are giving away the dealer secrets, there are so many "dipped" coins in dealers cases. Put a dealer in cuffs and inspect his or her shop and you will find cleaners.PCGS guards it's collectors' and resellers, with their price guide.

[gilsgriddleandgrill]

Are the best videos I’ve seen in a long time about cleaning coins. Thanks for posting I’m a new sub!!

[Kenlydford]

I agree send some in, I’d be curious to see any fluctuations in grade.

[DJbabynoneck]

Crack them. I would only send the highest grade of each denomination that were"cleaned". I doubt they'll come back details. Dipping is market acceptable.

[Amazingcoinsyou]

Great video. I've been waiting to see this one. I say crack them out and send them. I have about 15 coins in ngc holders I'm going to crack out and clean and send to pcgs. Can't wait to see what you do.

[murrcenare]

Dude, love your videos. That being said...Eee-Zee-Est! Every time you say Eee-zest my eye twitches.