What David Dobrik's Apology Missed + YouTube Fratboy Culture

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[anny]

She’s right. Every single woman has a story or experience like that. The worst part is that it starts when we are just teenagers.

[hiitsaria]

The thing is, yes, most young men grow out of their frat boy phase, but it's very likely that every woman who was affected by them will remember what they did to her, just like you still remember it, Cristine. The "boys will be boys" mentality needs to be stopped because it always somehow leads to women being hurt

[zkarebear]

In a world of Davids and Jakes- be a Ben or a Julien.

[ZeruWilde]

Cristine talking about the humiliation factor is spot on. I was a victim of revenge porn in high school and in college. That's only a fraction of the misdeeds I've experienced at the hands of men. Some people say not all men, but I've personally met a lot of monsters, so I'll tread lightly around snakes, y'know?

[unbeautyguru]

There are many popular youtubers who go for that “fratboy” humor.... I have never got it. Glad I’ve never wasted my time or views on those types.

[moeisslow]

Can we all just appreciate how strong Cristine Rotenberg is

[jennibeck]

I know Cristine and Ben know this working with crime stats, but most sexual crimes committed be men happen between ages 17-28. So college is really a hot spot of sexual assault and inappropriateness. Even though I graduated college I still feel a little sick remembering how those men acted.

[lillyrockstar]

“Grow out of it” I hate that expression. Why should women have to wait for men to “grow out of” deeply rooted misogyny. I understand where you are coming from Christine it just boggles my brain that we still feel “boys will be boys” is a thing. We don’t go around saying it for our female or trans counterparts. Ugh, society is exhausting.. thank you for shedding light on this topic and sharing your personal experience.

[mattistired]

i really appreciate how emotional ben got, it really shows just how much he cares. i also really enjoy hearing you two talk unscripted, and it's really nice to be able to connect outside of simply nailogical. i'll have to listen to your podcast in full from now on

[jack-jackslife]

The fact is David and his group are manipulative and disgusting. The fact that Jason Nash is a 40-something year old man and he still has this “fratboy” mentality is disturbing. David is my age (24) and has control over every last person in that group. If someone doesn’t want to do something as a “skit” they’re immediately dropped. David Dobrik is the only person I would say definitely for sure needs to be canceled.

[dcmmom]

This is why, as a teacher, I talk to my young students about how YouTubers can be problematic beyond just the typical "unrealistic lifestyle" or online bullying talk. It's an important social skills class and reflective of the world in 2020. I encourage other educators to speak about this. I hear my 3rd and 4th graders talk about people like Dobrik and Logan Paul. If I wasn't in a classroom, I would've never believe that kids that young watch those people.

[samanthaaiello]

TW: a story similar to Cristine’s

Thank you for sharing your story. In 5th grade (I was 10 or 11), my classmate asked me out. I said no, so he told everyone that he installed cameras in my home shower and would print out photos for everyone. Logically, yes, I know that wasn’t possible in the late 90s, but my scared brain was traumatized. I’m 32, and I still get jumpy and scared in that shower if I go visit my parents’ house. These frat boy youtubers are creating a whole new way for people to experience something like that through the actions of their unchecked ‘boys will be boys’ mentality, and it’s unacceptable.

[sharondurham]

Ben tearing up at Cristine's experience, makes me cry! 😢 What a pure hearted guy.

[nadynemotherofcatz]

Misogyny is alive and thriving folks. I heard a quote a while ago that really stuck with me, at the end of the day, the world doesn't give a shit about women. So sad, but usually true.

[rafaxpg]

Toxic masculinity is a prison cell. Needing the male peers acceptance and losing the sense of self and what should be morally accepted to not be excluded is incredibly hurting to both parties.

[meganalice]

I had an ex who was bullied in middle school. He actually found social acceptance in high school when he started acting like DD. I still find it sad he immatured as he aged just to fit in.

[tiffskii]

Christines story just brought back so many horrible memories from high school on. Toxic behaviour. Good for you for sharing, the more people that talk about it hopefully young men will hear it and think twice before acting like that.

[longmaywereign]

I think the worst is that young people watching this unfold and watching his apology will maybe see an apology as enough to fix the situation. Many things that happened in those videos are disrespectful and all David and the others had to do was apologise and their fans forgave them. Some could learn from this behaviour, they could do bad things and then think they fixed it just by saying sorry. That is often far from enough, a girl was assaulted and an apology won't miraculously change that!

[nitsirkroy]

This is why young you tubers like Mia Maples need more credit. She shows it’s cool to be caring, think of others, and have a great relationship with your parents/family as well as body acceptance and not just being boy crazy.

[alexisbailey]

You two are such a breath of fresh air. As a person in my mid-20s, in professional school, and just overall a bit more mature (an old person at heart), I love seeing content that is well-constructed, critical yet fair, and speaks to issues in a mature and thoughtful way. Thank you for your insight and conversation.

It's so heartbreaking yet important to hear your experience, Cristine. I think I avoided a lot of malignant fraternity/sorority personalities by being relatively un-involved in that portion of my university, but that speaks heavily to how much room for improvement there is in holding these institutions, and their members, accountable. I witnessed so many girls feel unsafe and powerless in this atmosphere, and it's sad to see that culture exists and is highlighted online.