Game of Thrones: Littlefinger v Varys - Battle of Ideologies

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[ehsteve]

Varys is like Ned Stark with more cunning and without honor. Honestly I find him to be one of the most morally righteous people in the series... as his power could have corrupted him so easily, and yet he still chooses to use his talents for what he believes will save the realm. He may be called "the spider" but frankly I see him as a bit of a hero in his own right.

[valardohaeris]

When you realize Game of Thrones is simply Varys and Littlefinger playing chess..

[avalle]

In the books littlefinger is not predictable!!

Everybody trust him and almost nobody knows that he control power from the shadows.

[kby]

I miss when the show was partly about royal shenanigans with cersei, olenna, margarie, varys, littlefinger and so on. It was so smart and interesting to watch their attempts to decieve. Now its all about fighting and the good/evil line is very clearly drawn.

[palemoonlight]

By far two of the biggest players in the game...

[PavarottiAardvark]

Varys is a true Machiavellian. He abandons restricting morals, but he does so for a purpose.

[danb]

Littlefinger”Knowledge is power”
Bran”hold my ale”

[MrShoopezino]

Littlefinger: The game is chess and I can see 10 moves ahead
Also Littlefinger: I BEG YOU SANSA!

[lanemoyer]

Having watched season 8 ep 5, this is an

[nathancoutinho]

I think u should do next in the Battle of Ideologies: Margaery vs Cersei or Tywin vs Tyrion.

[RealSancez]

It's too soon to study Varys' character. The show simplified him too much and the books aren't over with him yet.

[zephanmatteson]

Little fingers story line in the books makes much more sense. His plan to marry Sansa to Harry the Heir helps achieve his plan, and dosnt turn Sansa against him.

[zabaoth]

But Littlefinger didn't die due to being a self serving snake. He died because they ran out of material and turned the show from a political show where every character is more or less in a gray moral area, to an action flick. He started acting really dumb when they ran out of books... I don't think that's simple correlation.

[b-rye]

"Every possible series of events is happening all at once..."

-Peter Baelish on quantum superposition

[eizhowa]

Do we know enough about Varys to know his ideology? I still feel like there are things we don't understand about Varys.

[leramar]

I wouldn't trust Varys any more than Littlefinger. He says he's for the realm and the good of the people. But he is a master manipulator and spymaster. if these seasons/books have taught anything, it's to always expect the unexpected and never assume anything.

[filipmihailovic]

Littlefinfer is classic horror villain. Bullied by popular kids as a teenager, now he’s psycho who’s getting revenge on all of them

[NinaNiterose]

"He would see this country burn, if he could be king of the ashes."
Amazing how well this quote works for our modern day politics.

[nothingtoseehere]

When you read the books, you realize how ridiculous both these characters are on the show